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Originally Posted by InventoryGuy
I won't bothering quoting all teh littl etid bits I am going to rebute, not that forums savy.
I am no where near blind devotion to any manufacturuer. Toyota makes flaws just like anyone, but they make less on average and when they do they go out of their way to make it right. I deal with this on a daily basis. Yeah, Toyota has a huge pie on their face with this recent media coverage, no doubt about it.
I just can't believe that some of you are so dilutted to think that any manufacturer (I mean ANY) could get away with a large scale coverup like some of you are proposing. You are tlaking about them reflashing EVERY car that comes in for service, making up things like improving acceleration and what not. I mean come on people, sit back and lot at how retarded that makes you sound. If any of you who are claiming such a great conspiracy work anywhere near the car business you would know that is just not possible.
You really think that some "upper managers" coudl impliement something liek reflashing faulty computers (if that is even the cause) and it would just trickle down without any notice?
You never heard me say that the floor mats are the cause of all the issues being claimed. But I do know that the floor mats cause some of the issues being claimed from personal experience. Once again, not saying it covers everything, but it just annoys me when people claim that it just has nothing to do with the issue.
It's fine, Toyota is on top so now it is time for them to be in the spotlight and have everyone try to find fault with them. Happened when Gm was on top and it will happen to everyone who is leading on anything.
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I'm driving a Subaru, so without arguing this GM-Toyota rivalry issue, I'll point out that Toyota has made great cars. In the performance field, they used to have the potential-potent Supra and the sporty MR2. In the safety field, Toyota used to be a leader. In the efficiency department, Toyota has always been a source of sales for the green drivers of slow cars that simply serve the function of transportation. Toyota has even come a long way in the field of trucks, an area that Toyota tried, with limited success, to invade.
All of this respect aside, Toyota has build a brand on reliability. Honda, likewise, has built a brand on resale value, but that does not mean that all of its cars sell for impressive values after years of use.
Being known for past products having these qualities does not say anything about Toyota's current products. For instance, take Ferrari's history of high-end exotics. If Ferrari suddenly decided that the minivan segment is the new market for Ferrari, its reputation as a sports car manufacturer does not make its minivans sporty. It is hard to defend any recall, and most manufacturers will only eagerly involve themselves in a recall, despite what insiders and press releases say, when the potential expenses of a mandatory recall wildly exceed those of a voluntary recall.
Toyota has just gone through the largest ever US recall. Let's break that down.
A company that claimed for the first time last year to be the world's largest manufacturer followed that announcement by recalling more cars than anyone else has ever recalled in the largest automotive market. This isn't just the largest recall in any country. This is a nation with oil in its blood; a nation that founded car culture; a nation where everyone of legal driving age wants, if not expects, to drive something soon. Toyota has managed, in producing all of those cars, to call them back to the dealership for repairs.
This is really hard to defend as just another recall.
We know about recalls here. Even the Camaro had a battery cable issue. Every car will experience some sort of manufacture problem during the life of its production. While there is a lot of fanboyism on a site dedicated to a particular product, you have to understand that
outrage and anger is an appropriate response to a historically bad thing. For people who associate themselves with a competing brand, "I told you so" is an appropriate response, and you'll see a lot of that here.
I see that you drive a Tundra. It is clear that you're going to defend Toyota just like GM enthusiasts are going to defend GM or attack GM's direct competitors. We know that in all likelihood the company's leadership are probably not responsible for this disaster and neither are you. I would suggest that the engineers who designed the products may be at fault for falling behind, but they're still legal and they're still sure to sell. No one ordered Toyota to reduce the safety standards of their cars or to build products that do not always keep up with the market, but that is what is happening.
It is what it is, and it sucks. You don't have to accept it, and neither does Toyota, but eventually press like this may do what it did to GM, but I doubt the US government will back a Japanese brand like it did 2 American ones.