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Originally Posted by BamaCommando

Wow, we have found the one person in the world who can distinguish intellectual honesty among football fans. Shouldn't you have a website or something so that everyone can log in and ask you if they are being honest?

Hey you asked why I was critical and questioning and I answered. Just because you don't like the answer, or is it you just don't like the criticality?

Originally Posted by BamaCommando

Actually any random yahoo can sit back and pick apart any claim that any legitimate entity makes. It only makes the yahoo look petty and sad.

I am a random yahoo, but so what. My questioning and criticality are still valid nonetheless. Its full circle I guess, the random yahoo of 2009 questions the random yahoo of 1909.

If you don't like my analysis and criticality, then feel free to ignore it. It wouldn't be the first time one of the faithful has chosen to ignore something that doesn't fit their inflated "bestest team evaaar" mentality...

Originally Posted by BamaCommando

Glad you made your thinking clear. Even NCAA recognized entities are "random ass". Again, you are the arbiter of of what is true and accurate.

Define "legitimate entity." As it stands now we don't even have an agreed upon definition of "legitimate entity" which makes the discussion rather difficult.

Then prove to me that those groups are legit under that definition if you wanna claim "12 Championships". Shouldn't be hard for one of you're intellectual magnitude since you seem to already have it worked out in your head whats legit and whats not.

What makes Dick Houlgate or any of the others so special that makes his formula picking champs definitive compared to you, me or anybody else? Or any of the other groups.

Understand, nobody is laughing at the Tide for these ludicrous claims, they've proved their mettle more than enough, they're laughing at the "tide faithful" for sticking to their guns past the point of ridiculous.

I amazed that a Bama fan would be so willing to go with the NCAA as the final arbiter of what is and isn't legit, given the sound screwing they've given you guys over the years.

Originally Posted by BamaCommando

You really think a lot of yourself, and you are probably a great guy, but really do you think you could tear down Bama in any way?

Reading comprehension and analysis isn't your strong suit is it? That stereotype about Bama fans rears its ugly head again. To state that I am not trying to do something, does not imply that I think I could. Or do you seriously think that if I said "I'm not trying to flap my arms and fly" that I actually thought I could flap my arms and fly?

The way you and the Tide faithful get all defensive everytime someone doubts "12 National Championships" you'd think the barbarians were smashing down the gates to Bryant-Denny...

Originally Posted by BamaCommando

Again I think you are confused. Nowhere did you see any defending of claims, only an attempt to educate you to the reality and get you back onto something that was relevant to keep you from looking like a joke. Failed attempt noted.

So thats what this post was

http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showpo...postcount=2493

Educating me to the reality that you have this delusional notion that individuals making up formulas to pick a champion after the fact makes you a champion. No defensiveness there at allll....

Originally Posted by BamaCommando

Wow, you really deny not being stuck on them? You jumped on a single statement about NC's that another poster made and went into your "in depth" analysis of organizations that you recognize and specific teams from 60 years ago that you don't think should qualify. You sir have a deeper issue than you are admitting.

I was halfway joking but since you decided to run with it I thought I'd have some fun with the (unfortunately) stereotypical (bestest team EVAAAR) Bama fan.

Originally Posted by BamaCommando

Wow, asking you to win your own State is a low blow. Talk about striking a nerve.

No, but the big bad tide faithful essentially insulting my team as "the worst in MS" is rather ridiculous. My pride in MSU extends much further than the football field so giving me the "Oh well you're team sucks dockey balls" line really doesn't mean much to me. One winning season since I showed up there in 2001 kinda told me that....

Originally Posted by BamaCommando

Careful, you are letting that deep seeded issue show again. Now you are stating that Bama has 6 "legitimate" NC's? Again you are the arbiter so we can take your word on it I guess.

I have a deep seated issue for asking critical questions. Thats hilarious. Keep drinking the kool-aid brother...

I really don't know how many you have. Untying the mess of college football champions over the last 100 years is a knotty problem given the sheer number of groups selecting a champion.

Champion implies one team. Top dog. Nobody better. Some years have as many as 4 "champions." Sorry, if 4 different teams claim to be champ, 3 of 'em are wrong. Really if you're system of selecting a champ is that screwed up, all 4 are wrong, there really is no champ.

Originally Posted by BamaCommando

Not sure if you will recognize coherent or not but I will give it a try. The AP has run continuously since 1936 and the UPI was formed in 1958. So to be recognized by both of them would only have been possible since 1958. Prior to that there were a multitude of "recognized" polls and foundations which put out a National Champion.

At least we're making progress. You're finally admitting that the selections process is pretty damn mixed up and arbitrary for pretty much the entirety of the last century. Pretty much any championship claims made before the AP and UPI started having their final poll AFTER the bowl games is pretty dubious.

I mean, there were more than a couple "champions" that got their butt whooped in a bowl game, which makes no sense at all.

Even up until the present day including the BCS, the notion of a champion is a bit dubious. I mean seriously, why do computers get to pick who gets to play for the title? Until there's a playoff, then its all more than a bit ridiculous.

There's a reason a lot of people refer to it as the "mythical national championship."

Originally Posted by BamaCommando

I will try once more to get this back on topic. Let it go, if you can, and lets get back to this season. Not discussing whether or not you like some claims from last century or not. How is that for intellectual honesty?

We are on topic last I checked. This is the "NCAA football trash talk thread" not the "2009 NCAA football season thread"

Thanks for playing right into stereotype of the typical Bama fan though. It makes this a lot more entertaining.

Q: What do the typical Bama fan and the typical Auburn fan have in common?

A: Neither actually attended the University of Alabama



Stop being so uptight and have a little fun brother. Its football season after all and we've only got a couple more months worth of fun