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Old 01-31-2025, 12:44 PM   #2855
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Here's a puff-piece downplaying the Trump's Executive Order. The article, as do many others, claim there is no EV mandate even though they concede the cumulative effect of all previous actions over the years making ICE harder to produce with emissions and the 2027 standards for ICE are already baked in.

The EV makers can now claim there is no turning back. Yes, the bureaucratic regulations and tyranny over the years have done their work well. The automotive industry has apparently surrendered to, and become dependent on, government largess and regulations. Make fun of "there is no EV mandate being eliminated" all you want, even though the ongoing and previous rules have created just that.

The part that I find humorous is the last lines where they still claim that EVs will become less expensive over time...We've been hearing this for how many years now since EV productions started. There is no reason to make EVs less expensive once ICE is no longer available. I think automakers are making a huge mistake in disregarding the years ahead of cheap energy and low gasoline prices, elimination of punitive emissions and mileage standards.

Stay tuned!


What Trump's Executive Order Means for Electric Vehicles
Story by Mike De Socio • 22h • 3 min read

An executive order from President Donald Trump is targeting federal policies that promote the transition from gasoline-powered vehicles to electric vehicle
President Donald Trump signed a flurry of executive orders during his first week in office, giving the impression that he took sweeping action on many of his campaign promises. But as critics have been quick to point out: Executive orders can't change the law, and only have power to direct government officials and agencies.

So what should you make of Trump's executive order on "Unleashing American Energy," which promises to end government support of electric vehicles?

"It says a lot, it's blustery … It purports to do a huge range of things," many of which an executive order can't do, said Ted Lamm, associate director at the Center for Law, Energy & the Environment at the University of California, Berkeley.

What will the order actually mean for you the next time you go to buy an electric vehicle? Here's what the experts say you can expect going forward.

What does the executive order say about EVs?
The phrase that sticks most is, "It is the policy of the United States … to eliminate the 'electric vehicle (EV) mandate' and promote true consumer choice." That paragraph goes on to call for the "elimination of unfair subsidies and other ill-conceived government-imposed market distortions that favor EVs."


Local auto expert, drivers respond to President Trump's electric vehicle action
The thing is, there is no federal EV mandate.

Trump's use of the phrase "electric vehicle mandate" probably refers to a mix of three things: The $7,500 EV tax credit for consumers; the EPA emissions standards that aim to phase in more EVs and more efficient combustion vehicles; and tax credits that incentive domestic manufacturing of batteries and EVs.


None of those things, however, amount to a "mandate," which implies that consumers and automakers have no choice but to make and drive EVs.

How much of this can an executive order actually do?
According to experts, many of the executive order's claims would require an act of Congress to accomplish. Here's a breakdown of what the order can (and can't) accomplish on its own:

Of course, even the actions that are within the power of an executive order can be (and likely will be) challenged in court.

What does this mean for me as a consumer?
At the end of the day, this executive order creates more confusion than it does tangible impacts for consumers, experts said.

"It's clearly just a rhetoric piece," said Aubrey Gunnels, CEO and co-founder at 3V Infrastructure, an investment firm that supports EV charging infrastructure.

That said, the new administration's policies could have some tangible impacts. Here's what to expect:

If you bought an EV in 2024 and are planning to claim the EV tax credit this tax season, you should be OK, according to Lamm. "It would be pretty shocking" for Trump to go against Congress and attempt to block the IRS from issuing those credits, Lamm said.

If you're planning to buy an EV in 2025, the EV tax credit may or may not be available for you. As of now, it still is, but Trump could ask Congress to repeal that provision of the Inflation Reduction Act in the future. But Lamm says even that is unlikely. "Getting rid of it is politically pretty costly," he said.

The biggest effect on EVs would happen if the tax policies are eliminated, which would require an act of Congress, according to the energy consulting firm Wood Mackenzie. "This is yet to be determined, but Wood Mackenzie does expect any remaining EV credits to contain stricter eligibility criteria around critical mineral sourcing to promote mineral security," said Max Reid, principal analyst at the firm,

A weakening of tailpipe emissions standards or changes to California's ability to enforce its own standards could also weaken EV adoption, according to WoodMac.

"While the extent of subsidy cuts and details on new emissions norms are unclear, we expect the trajectory of EV sales to be slower than previous forecasts," Reid said.

Experts say that these actions may slow the transition to EVs, but in the long run they won't stop it altogether.

"The momentum in the industry has already surpassed the turning point," said Virginia Klausmeier, founder and CEO at Sylvatex, a material tech company that works on EV batteries.

Plus, if the consumer tax credits did get repealed, EVs are on track to get cheaper over the coming years and become the more affordable option even without government discounts, Gunnels said.
Thanks for the post.
Aubrey Gunnels and Virginia Klausmeier, the two World Economic Forum compromised people quoted, say that BEVs don't really need the help.

The untenable emissions burden on combustion can be tossed!
The domestic incentives can be dropped! at least swapped for tariffs.

The magic batteries are just around the corner, just like that hot nurse at the hospital! Some words of wisdom I'm reminded of:
-Confucious say, man who want pretty nurse, must be patient.
-Confucious say, man with hand in pocket, feel cocky all day.
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