[bigd1276]

Originally Posted by Number 3

Ok, let me be very plain and simple here. No one is forcing GM or any other OEM in the United States to make EVs.

Even in liberal California they are NOT mandating EVs.

What is being mandated is Zero Emission Vehicles. The OEMs are making the choice to build EVs because from a technology standpoint it is by far the most mature answer to that question. FC also would work and meet this requirement. In the future there may be other technologies that would be ZEV. With California and it's 13 sister states mandating 100% ZEVs in the near future, do you expect GM to just give up on those sales? Or build cars and trucks that can be sold there? Remember when Tesla was only profitable selling credits for California to the other OEMs? Can't do that anymore.

Now did Joe order that some of the postal vehicles get changed from ICE to EV? I believe he did. Doesn't impact you or me. And yes, you can play the game of saying, "well it says ZEV but they mean EV". What they mean is a vehicle with zero tailpipe emissions. OEMs? You go figure that out. It is how CARB has worked since it's inception. Force technology by defining the solution.

And again your prediction of GM going bankrupt is very much without knowledge of how the auto industry and GM work. First, GM went bankrupt the first time because gas hit $4 per gallon and full size truck sales TANKED. I was in a meeting where they went through the financials. GM went from being able to pay their bills to having NO ability simply from FST sales tanking. And because of the financial situation at the time, there was no money available. That is bankruptcy. Now when you pull the "in 10 years" that is pretty weak because anything can happen. And the big one coming, as I've screamed from the roof tops, the Chinese are coming. And since Americans as a whole don't care where the stuff they buy is made, that will fully eat into the remaining US manufacturers (GM, Ford and Tesla). And if you do any research, you will see where BYD is heading and it's here, with a plant in Mexico. Nio is right behind them. So yes, GM could go bankrupt, but it will likely be a combination of FST sales AND not having EV products that compete with the Chinese.

So not delusional just accepting the facts.

That took you longer than I thought.