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Originally Posted by Number 3
Ok, let me be very plain and simple here. No one is forcing GM or any other OEM in the United States to make EVs.
Even in liberal California they are NOT mandating EVs.
What is being mandated is Zero Emission Vehicles. The OEMs are making the choice to build EVs because from a technology standpoint it is by far the most mature answer to that question. FC also would work and meet this requirement. In the future there may be other technologies that would be ZEV. With California and it's 13 sister states mandating 100% ZEVs in the near future, do you expect GM to just give up on those sales? Or build cars and trucks that can be sold there? Remember when Tesla was only profitable selling credits for California to the other OEMs? Can't do that anymore.
Now did Joe order that some of the postal vehicles get changed from ICE to EV? I believe he did. Doesn't impact you or me. And yes, you can play the game of saying, "well it says ZEV but they mean EV". What they mean is a vehicle with zero tailpipe emissions. OEMs? You go figure that out. It is how CARB has worked since it's inception. Force technology by defining the solution.
And again your prediction of GM going bankrupt is very much without knowledge of how the auto industry and GM work. First, GM went bankrupt the first time because gas hit $4 per gallon and full size truck sales TANKED. I was in a meeting where they went through the financials. GM went from being able to pay their bills to having NO ability simply from FST sales tanking. And because of the financial situation at the time, there was no money available. That is bankruptcy. Now when you pull the "in 10 years" that is pretty weak because anything can happen. And the big one coming, as I've screamed from the roof tops, the Chinese are coming. And since Americans as a whole don't care where the stuff they buy is made, that will fully eat into the remaining US manufacturers (GM, Ford and Tesla). And if you do any research, you will see where BYD is heading and it's here, with a plant in Mexico. Nio is right behind them. So yes, GM could go bankrupt, but it will likely be a combination of FST sales AND not having EV products that compete with the Chinese.
So not delusional just accepting the facts.
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This is simply NOT true. When the government raises CAFE standards as they have, it forces manufacturers to comply. When the government offers incentives to build more electric vehicles be that subsidizing battery plants or factory upfits, thats forcing people into electric cars.
" The California Air Resources Board on Thursday signed off on a sweeping plan requiring that by 2035, all new passenger cars and light trucks sold in the state be electric vehicles or other emissions-free models." It doesnt get any clearer than this. "
Will other states follow suit?
Under the federal Clean Air Act, California is
allowed to set tougher emissions standards than the federal government. In recent years, more than a dozen other states (including New York, Massachusetts and Washington) have followed California’s rules too." And of course they will!
Battery powered tools and small equipment is also being forced upon us. Beginning Jan 1st, 2029, sales of new, small off road gasoline engines will be banned in California. These engines are already mandated to have EVAP canisters. "The California Air Resources Board
approved a measure that will require most newly manufactured small off-road engines (SORE) such as those found in leaf blowers, lawn mowers and other equipment be zero emission starting in 2024. Portable generators, including those in recreational vehicles, would be required to meet more stringent standards in 2024 and meet zero-emission standards starting in 2028."
Cummins has entered the electric truck market. Why? From Jan 2024:
"California rang in the new year by delaying enforcement of its "Advanced Clean Fleets" Regulation, which requires trucking companies operating in the state to purchase an increasing percentage of electric trucks in the coming years. While enforcement was slated to begin this week, officials at the California Air Resources Board agreed to pause the registration and compliance requirements until the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency grants the regulation a green light to proceed." Thats a mandate to force replacement of diesels with electric semis. I'd also like to point out that since 1990, diesel emissions have been reduced well over 92%. I'd say we've reached the mountaintop and should take a few decades of victory laps.
I've done the research. Electric mandates are both real and undeniable.