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Originally Posted by MSS1LE
The results have been a disaster. Even before the recent surge in energy costs, in 2020, Britons were paying about 75 percent more for electricity than Americans; and during the energy crisis in 2022, electricity rates for British businesses were more than double the average paid by US businesses. High and rising energy costs have locked Britain into economic decline. British politicians’ boasts of climate leadership by cutting greenhouse gas emissions faster than any other major economy ignore the unfortunate fact that the British economy has been stagnating since 2008. This luxury net zero policy, which only the rich can afford, has been devastating for ordinary Britons just trying to heat their homes and get to work.
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A few points and then I think Im going to leave this alone, the whataboutery here is getting ****ing ridiculous.
1. Yes, we pay more for power than the USA. We have for the entire 45 years Ive been alive, but this war you may have heard about in Ukraine made energy rates go crazy.
We also pay roughly 100% more for gas which means relatively speaking we are actually better off using electricity to power vehicles.
2. Any economic decline is more a consequence of aforementioned war, Brexit (this is going REALLY well), Covid and corrupt/incompetent government - its estimated our government wasted £100bn over the past 4 years. This is not an EV or even a net zero issue.
3. The countries that provide our outsourced power (interconnectors) also use renewable sources, generally at a greater ratio than we do.
4. The blue part of the breakdown is nuclear and biomass. These are still clean power generation methods. The numbers Ive been quoting are accurate.
5. The above info is all freely available if you actually want to find it.
6. I think every other post Ive made has included the phrase "EVs are not for everyone".
Nowhere, here or anywhere else have I told people they should be driving EVs, Ive just corrected some misconceptions and given some personal experience.
Like Ive done in this post as well. If I post about my Z28s power output or the last laptime I got an Nurburgring I dont get people telling me Im a liar so theres obviously something deeper here, a prejudice if you like.
One final thing: I totally get your point about not wanting to pay for EVs if youre not using them, fair play.
If you accept that cleaner air, improved health and less reliance on fossil fuels are good things is it not the same as how you fund medical research, unemployment benefit or food assistance? Even if you dont have children how much of your tax goes on schools?
You might not benefit directly but these things make the world a nicer place to live in.