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Originally Posted by Wyzz Kydd

So what you want is the temperature on a specific day, but you would prefer not to have any context as to what that temperature has been on other days during the same season? So, yeah, it's hot today. Perhaps because it's July?

What you have my friend (not kidding… I feel like I know you. And you’re cool to debate with) is a misinterpretation of what I said. It is not that I don’t care about the long term trends and trajectories of the weather, it’s just that it specifically was not what I was talking about. I was talking about “the weather maps lately”. Your response was the equivalent of you telling me that you’ve shaved 4 seconds off your best lap time at VIR and I respond by detailing my best 1/4 mile at Milan Dragway. Related, but sorta off topic.

Originally Posted by Wyzz Kydd

The chart that I provided shows how todays temperatures compare to temperatures over the last 70 years.

How can anyone argue that the climate is warming up without comparing temperatures today to temperatures in the past?

I have not even tried to make the argument that the climate is warming. That would be debate of facts not in evidence. If I were to make an argument (I didn’t) it would be wrt climate change not climate warming. It would be to point to the increased incidence of extreme cold incidents (3 major storms in Buffalo in a two year period, one of them rivaling the once-in-a-lifetime Blizzard of ‘77, another exceeding it). I would point out the extreme warm weather events (10+ consecutive days of 100+ degree temperature across most of the southern US). Temperature is one thing. Life-changing natural disasters driven by both extremes of temperature is another.

Originally Posted by Wyzz Kydd

For example, note the red line (this year's temperatures) in February, or mid March. Those are clearly on the low end relative to the last 70 years. That doesn't exactly support the idea that we're experiencing warming.

That's like me saying, 'my son is tall compared to his colleagues. He's 6'2", then later you find out that he's in the NBA, whoops turns out he's actually on the short side in that data set.

That car is expensive, it costs X. How do we know that X is expensive unless we look at what other cars cost?

Sorry, the temperatures on a given day, or even over a period of a week, or a month mean exactly nothing unless you compare them to temperatures during that same time frame in the past.

Could not and would not argue or disagree with any of this. ^^