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Originally Posted by Wyzz Kydd

Name one ICE vehicle that a consumer will receive a government subsidy for purchasing. You assume I’m referring to Tesla receiving subsidies, which is incorrect. All the manufacturers you mentioned are subsidized for pursuing EV manufacturing, which supports my argument.

This isn’t about which manufacturers receive subsidies, it’s about which products are being subsidized and which products are being regulated out of business.

Do you think Dodge wants to stop selling Hemis? That’s insane, they’re very popular and in the absence of regulations would be very profitable.

Why do you think the build rate on the Celestique is two per month? Because they’re incredibly expensive to manufacture and sourcing the battery materials is really tough.

Why do you think the price of gas is being deliberately increased? To make EVs more competitive.

There’s an old and very true maxim in economics. If you want more of something subsidize it, if you want less, tax it. That’s exactly what’s happening in the automotive industry. These guys dont want to discontinue ICE and go EV, they’re being forced to.

Originally Posted by FenwickHockey65

It's 2 units a day.


Which is actually pretty impressive for a mostly hand-built vehicle being assembled outside a traditional production facility.

The Celestiq is produced at 2 units a day because GM doesn’t want to build 3 units per day. It’s all about making the vehicle exclusive ala Rolls Royce / Maybach. Making it hand-crafted, customizable, and exclusive allows them to sell it at $300k and up per copy. And they must have hit their mark, because they are all spoken for for the next 18 months.

And as I’ve mentioned before, the rationale behind providing subsidies to EV makers is to incentivize them to produce zero emission vehicles to help protect air quality. Now incentives are shifting to EV buyers to motivate them to buy EVs, again, to protect air quality. At the end of the day, it costs less to reduce pollutants before they get into the air than to try to remove them once they are there. People can believe or not believe the arguments supporting climate change and air quality. The thing is, the major car companies DO believe it and are spending billions of dolllars to deal with it and the federal government (and practically every national government around the world) also believes it and is pushing for zero emissions transportation to help deal with it.