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Old 12-29-2022, 11:21 AM   #146
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Originally Posted by Wyzz Kydd View Post
As an economist is pretty straightforward. Good products don’t require subsidies to be successful other than in very specific circumstances, none of which apply here.

If EVs were competing on a level playing field and winning I still wouldn’t want one, but I wouldn’t object to their existence, but they’re not competing on a level playing field. The government has its thumb on the scale both by subsidizing them, AND by penalizing ICE cars through increasingly restrictive regulations thereby driving up prices.

It’s a scam being perpetrated on taxpayers.

Pretty much every argument in favor of EVs relies on things that don’t exist yet and may never exist. Abundance of rare earth materials for batteries, switching our grid to ‘eco friendly’ power production, acceptable driving ranges, fast charging, abundant charging stations, robust performance even at lower charges. It’s a long list of pie in the sky assumptions.

The worst part is all of us are paying for these pieces of crap whether we want to or not.
There are plenty of industries that receive subsidies from the Gov. And the top automotive recipient are General Motors (#2) and Ford Motor (#5) while Tesla Inc. comes in at (#21). Now if you want to use this list of subsidies for companies who deal in electric power that would in the future favor EV`s except at the present time there are more gas stations than EV fast charging stations. As for your assumption that ("If EVs were competing on a level playing field and winning I still wouldn’t want one, but I wouldn’t object to their existence, but they’re not competing on a level playing field. The government has its thumb on the scale both by subsidizing them")

You`re right it`s not a "level playing field", GM, Ford, Hyundai Motor, Toyota, Nissan, Volkswagen and Mazda Toyota Manufacturing, U.S.A., Inc. all receive more subsidies combined than Tesla!

Here`s an idea, bring back the Stanley Steamer! That should end any arguments and make everyone happy.

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