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Originally Posted by BlaqWhole
Do you see one in my sig. If I did have one then trust me when I say it would be the fastest car in my fleet.
Even with E15 or whatever they decide on, it still changes nothing towards the fact that A - all cars will be required to have 40 MPGs by 2026 or something like that and B - no gas powered vehicles will be available for consumers in mass by 2035. So none of this even matters. At best it will keep prices kinda down which won't matter because gas prices will still be higher and will never return to what they were even a year ago.
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If you want to discuss EVs...
It's very hard to say, since batteries aren't going to realistically get any significant improvements. I personally think BEVs, (P)HEVs and ICEVs will live alongside each other for a good while. Maybe ICEVs will be phased out, but (P)HEVs, no.
The trouble with batteries is that it is not just hitting some technical bottlenecks(better, cheaper materials, etc.), it's starting to hit physical(breaks the laws of physics) bottlenecks.
Lithium batteries are as troublesome as they are when they fail. Basically when EVs catch fire, the current solution is to... Just wait it out. Now imagine bigger and more frequent fires with the higher energy density batteries. Just safety alone makes such a battery impractical since it is closer to a grenade than it is to a battery. One of the reasons why solid state batteries are eternally "five years away" is because the problem with stability, not to mention cost and other such things. Now Toyota is saying that they are going to make solid state batteries happen in their production cars, but if solid state batteries are happening in a practical form, I would expect a much bigger buzz from the tech world. I will believe it when I see it.
(Just in case someone asks, hydrocarbon fuels have high energy density, yes, but they require oxygen to really be able to do any damage. This makes them a lot more manageable than batteries where all you need to start a fire with is a short.)
FCEV is another idea but that has its own share of technical challenges, and since most hydrogen in the world is made from steam reformation of natural gas, the emission problems are still present, let alone the transportations and storage emissions.
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Originally Posted by redcoats1976
true.our democracy at work making millions of cars obsolete before their time.i dont guess it pollutes when they sit in junkyards waiting to be recycled.perhaps someone will find a way to convert them to hydrogen fuels and lessen the burden on our electric infrastructure instead of forcing mass adoption of electric cars.ironically we will still be burning coal to power these electric cars for a while,and electricity will probably go through the roof in price.ive not said anything about the politics involved here but its hard not to.
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Turning one element into another is called alchemy. We all know how well that works.
Sure, nuclear reaction turns one element into another, but I don't think you can make nuclear fuel out of steel, and then you still have to worry about the waste disposal.
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Originally Posted by ZED SLED
No, I meant tune.
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Well, running a car on ethanol fuel doesn't just require the right software, hardwares like fuel lines and pumps also need to be able to handle them. Ethanol is pretty harsh on seals.
Especially on older cars where things are past their prime, it could cause some leaks and subsequently, safety issues.