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Originally Posted by lbls1
Ahhhh well I feel we are still missing some points here. The thing about people being stuck in their ways. I don't necessarily look at it like that. Certain things work, whether they were conceived in the past or present time. The concept of muscle cars, with a lightweight body stuffed with a large engine, for the most part worked during the sixties. Sure they were inefficient, but they were popular, beautiful, and sold in the masses. When the muscle car went away in the seventies, they were revered and talked about for a long while. Well look what happened? They resurged in the millenium with players such as Camaro, Challenger, Charger and Mustang. Take a good look at them, as the current examples are hardly antiques or out of date. The current "muscular" cars have as many advanced features as any typical vehicle made today, as well as being very powerful and good looking. The point is that the buying public voiced their opinion on what they liked and wanted from a car, and the manufacturers capitalized on these things and made profit. It had nothing to do with clinging to the past etc. People voiced their opinion on what they wanted, and as a result we were blessed with great cars that we enjoy today.
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That has nothing to do with what I'm talking about. I'm talking about the gearheads of the past and how they insisted that performance was ending because cars were moving to newer more efficient fueling methods. I drew a clear comparison to how people now are acting the same way. Do you want to go back to those slow-ass cars from the 70s that barely ran 13s and had no options and smelled like you spilled a gallon of gas out the car and smoked everywhere and were loud AF with a 3 sp trans and 4.56 gear ratios and a 900 CFM double-pumper pouring fuel thru some stupid tunnel ram IM that sucked in hot engine bay air?? Because that was what all the gearheads back then were all swearing up and down was gonna be missed. Those cars, as good as it probably was when there was nothing else, suck by today's standards. And if those gearheads had their way then right now we'd be getting our butts kicked by every 4 cyl turbo Honda with a fart can and some teenaged punk driving it.
Performance moves on. It has to evolve and adapt. Because if it doesn't then we'd be going nowhere fast. For all these people complaining about the switch to EV, I bet you any amount of money that in 20 years they'll all be mad when they're getting left behind by every punk with an Import EV. I don't care what any of these modern day "purists" have to say. Losing sucks. Being on the losing team sucks. Going slow sucks. Being in the lane next to someone who zips by you while you look like you're standing still absolutely sucks. I don't care how loud or awesome your car sounds. Or how rowing gears makes you feel. When some punk starts showing out and acting like an a-hole and pulls up revving at you and then proceeds to leave you and embarrasses you in front of onlookers, not one of these guys here will be saying "oh but my exhaust sounds good and I have a manual trans".
Now if you guys want slow cars and want to be on the losing side then be my guest. But when things change you can bet your bottom that I'll be jumping ship.
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Originally Posted by lbls1
There are certain things we like about the current muscle cars as well, such as their loud exhausts, burn-outs on demand, etc. You can't blame noisy exhausts on the muscular cars either. How many times have you heard complaints from residents about those rice rockets and their 4 cyl. inspired fart can exhausts etc.????? Too many times. And why do owners of these rice rockets do the things that they do?? Because they also want to have fun with their cars, like the guys and gals did with their muscle cars back in the day. Again, nothing to do with clinging to the past etc. Just a basic need that people wanted....and achieved.
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Whether it's the Imports doing it or the Domestics it doesn't matter. It's still an issue that the vast majority of the population is set against. Some of you can't even start your car at night because it is too loud. Some of you have to resort to illegally obtaining inspection stickers because you can't legitimately go to the DMV and pass. Some of you have to fraudulently trick your ECUs because of bypassing emmissions equipment. We all know this. Do you think the government cares if it's a Honda doing it or a Chevy? No. So how long did you guys think this was gonna last? LOL!! Not for nothing, but how many of us have committed federal offenses in the past year? LOL!! Which kinda brings up another point about how certain racing topics aren't allowed but I can make a post detailing in length how to eliminate federally mandated emission equipment, obtain an inspection sticker, trick the ECU, and use off-road equipment on public roads, hahaha!!
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Originally Posted by lbls1
I'm not going into the point about the EV's and their pending entrance into the market becuase I spent a good amount of time on that point in my last post. The point that I want to emphasize is that the cars we enjoy today were conceived from wants and desires that consumers generated about cars they would like to own. Whether it came from past experiences or not is inmaterial. The buying public wanted their automobiles to be loud, run fast, have smelly exhausts, etc. Now whether we will continue to have cars like that in the future remains to be seen. However, you can't call the existence of today's muscular cars solely as a result of clinging to the past. Muscular cars exist today because they represent aspects of cars that are not seen or experienced with other vehicles, and that there are enough consumers in the market today to support their continued manufacturing, at least at this present time.
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Well those days are fading fast and soon to be gone for good. People can either sulk and cry and complain or they can get with the times and enjoy the new tech. That's just the way it is. The number of people who are against the changes are dwindling. There are way more people for it. That's the reality.