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Originally Posted by MrCool
Howdy All,
I don't know if this is a dumb question, but oh well:
What kind of damage happens to the engine (Camaro or a regular car) when you accelorate hard, and how would you spot this damage?
You know, like
Just Curious... |
you cant usually spot the damage (ie wear and tear) that gets put on the car during hard accelleration. that is, until something breaks.
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Originally Posted by Zhawk
 and a case of permagrin.
If you take care of you Camaro properly this shouldn't be a problem. My 95 Z/28 has been to the track plenty of time and so far the only thing with a problem is the rear end. |
the rear end was a problem before you took it to the track.
damn 10 bolts....
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Originally Posted by MrCool
I had in mind a standard F-Body engine (LT1 or LS1), particularly the LT1.
It would be really cool if you could stay street legal and still be able to keep up with a ZR1 on the highway or soemthign.
But I did some HW:
outlawz is running 5.882@120mph in the 1/8th mile, I found a Lingenfelter ZR1 time (from here) and it read 6.539@111.420.
(BTW, I hope he doesn't mind me using his Camaro as an example...) :(
So you probably can, but street legal? |
1/8 mile times are one thing, but what are those two cars running in the 1/4? LS series engines have some stupid rediculous top end power.
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Originally Posted by wrek
To those saying instant damage isn't likely... that's complete crap. When I accelerate hard, especially several times in a row, my wallet gets damaged... it's small but it's cumulative. Be warned!  |
its not always small. my trans shit the bed on a hard launch. well, 2nd and 4th gear did anyway. 1st gear let go a month ago doing a burnout. lmao.
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Originally Posted by 7CAMARO7
Street legal is not a matter of how much hp you've got. Its a matter of having a working horn, headlights, tail lights, wind shield, and whatever else they can give you a ticket for not having.
Too much hp? Never been an issue. There are guys with over 1000rwhp that drive their cars on the street.
btw, I've seen a Nova that would wax a zr1 on the 8th based on the time you gave. The thing is the nova is a purpose built race car. I doubt it had a horn(like the cops will tell you to honk your horn anyway), but the head lights and tail lights work on it. It runs like 4s I heard once it got in the 3s. I've seen 4s with my own eyes.
Trust me stay away from lt1s... Very difficult to work on, out dated, and they have some pretty jacked up design issues such as when the water pump goes out it WILL leak on the optispark which is not cheap.
how are LT1s any harder to work on than any other engine? their "jacked up" design issues are where the LS1 takes its roots. the optispark mounting location was not the best choice when they designed this motor, but the water pump weep hole can be taken care of by a small piece of hose. not to mention, the water pump on the LT1 is not belt driven. meaning if your belt snaps, you can still drive a good distance without worrying about overheating the engine. the opti... when it works, it works. ive seen 1000+hp combos running a stock GM optispark without fail. and ive seen optis crap out from morning mist. not to mention the reverse flow cooling that allows higher stock cr.
but ive never seen an LT1 with piston slap like an LS1.
They can be made fast just like anything else, but a much better engine is the ls1.
The ls1 is much more simple to me. Both are pretty cheap.
depending on how you look at it, the LT1 is more simple. but its personal opinion on that point. both engines have their high and low points. both engines were the top dogs of the day in their time.
To put things into perspective... A buddy of mine had an lt1 and he had full boltons on it already and a cam planned. I told him my full bolton dyno numbers on my ls1 and he told me his with a cam would put out about the same. Then he bought an ls1 and cammed it
dyno numbers dont mean squat if you cant put that power to the ground.
I respect the LS1, but my LT1 has handed many an LS car their ass.
An important rule to remember is anything can be made fast.
2 of the fastest cars I've ridden in were a I think '68 roadrunner(reminds me of Vin Diesel's car at the end of Fast n Furious 1) and a I think '95 front wheel drive eclipse.
A 440CI roadrunner and a 4cyl eclipse... Think about that... lol
The road runner's power was breath taking from a dead stop. It was like you're sitting still and boom... FLIGHT! The most hauling ass I've done in my life from a dig lol.
My other buddy had an eclipse which had a built engine and turbo and who knows what all else. Well we were going around a curve at about 85mph and he decides to downshift to 3rd and softly lay into the pedal. This mfer started blowing the tires off at 85mph on a curve and had me about shitting my self. We were out in the country and I saw nothing but trees lol Guy could drive. He said he has stuck to Viper before...
anyways, built can be better than bought. Street legal is not decided by hp.
Get an ls1,6,3,7,9 and you'll be in good shape lol |
LS motors are the future, but you cant progress forward without remembering the past and what got you to where you are.
like I said before, I respect the LS1, but I love the LT1.
LS1s are smooth, easy power.
LT1s are hard, rough power. and I like it rough.
both engines have their benefits, the LS architecture uses 6 bolt mains, aluminum blocks, composite intake manifold, coil on cylinder ignition, plus many other great benefits.
the LT architecture (save for the LT5's), are a mix of 2 and 4 bolt mains, cast iron blocks (good for racing), gear driven water pump, reverse flow cooling, lightweight rotating assy (pink rods. lol), dry intake, and other things.
its chevy v8 architecture. just like the LS1 being compared to the LS3. the LS3 is a superior engine. it was designed to be a superior engine to the LS1 the same way the LS1 was designed to be superior to the LT1. I cant wait till the Gen V motors start making their way into production and the LS3 will be outdated.
all that being said. back to the main point of this thread.
what kind of damage can be caused by hard accelleration.
that really depends on if you spin or hook.
if you dead hook, you are putting a strain on the drivetrain and suspension. the stock rear end in these cars is one of the weakest links in the car.
now, if you spin, you are still putting some strain on the same parts, but not as much as dead hooking 3700lbs. and part of that is just due to the way the car is built. stamped steel control arms, non-welded axle tubes, torque arm mounted to the transmission tailshaft, etc.
things can break at any power level. however, unless you are running slicks or some damn good tires, you more than likely wont be dead hooking often.