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any brand loyalty i have for gm stems from working on gm vehicles. i have always done my own work, which as time progressed since the mid 90s (for me), has often required tools and knowledge only attained & needed for such. i looked long and hard at other cars before i bought another camaro. i think ultimately it came down to how comfortable i already was with the gen 1-4 engines & associated platforms. its easy to see that gm has done a lot of repetitious/piggyback engineering if you start from the beginning. be it chassis, engine, vehicle communication etc.
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Maybe brand loyalty is what happens when the focus of your car enthusiasm doesn't step out past the engine and drivetrain . . . at least that's what I'm seeing here.
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Originally Posted by s346k
ultimately i think all of the vehicles in a given tier have their ups and downs and it comes down to personal choice, above all. it's funny to read how "superior" many of you think the camaro is bc it can beat a mustang on track by fractions of a second per lap. to 99.99% of buyers, that info means nothing more than a box to stand on and brag. when in reality those people can't drive the car to 85% of its ability and have no idea how anything on the car works, let alone why it is "better" and how it achieves what it does.
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And people have been claiming marque superiority based on the quarter mile ETs somebody else ran since about forever. I'm not sure what your point here is, or why road course lap times shouldn't be viewed as an indication of overall chassis goodness the same way that ETs demonstrate straight line excellence.
There's more to it than just flat comparisons between the numbers. If nothing else, being able to drive a stock SS/1LE to 85% of its capability will still get you around your local track a little faster than driving a stock Mustang GT to 85% of its capability. Chances are that the 1LE will feel subjectively better than the GT even in normal driving, more 'composed', or a feeling of having more capability in reserve if you're into noticing such things (some of us actually are).
I actually stole a page from the 5th gen 1LE playbook in the evolution of my GT from street-only to a dual-purpose street/road course car. But I took it one step further with 11" wide wheels all around instead of the 1LE's 10" & 11" staggered setup. I really don't care where an idea comes from any more than an engine cares what car it's under the hood of.
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