[Cmicasa the Great XvX]

Originally Posted by streetjudge79

Buicks are for old people. They should have kept Pontiac and re introduced the Trans am/Firebird series just as Chevy did the camaro. That would have saved Pontiac.

My stomach is hurting just thinking that some one believes that the Camaro is anyway the savior of Chevy. Furthermore the Firebird was always a supplemental car to the Camaro.

Pontiac is DEAD.. because it was Fleet Heavy... offered no real price difference over Chevy despite more investment (than GMC) in changing styling for both exterior and interior.. not to mention marketing.. and it was a NA only marketed brand.

If Holden were Pontiac as well.. or Pontiac was Holden.. then that point could be argued.. but when one looks at the new landscape in the Auto Business.. particularuly at GM.. Chev is now truly Global.. Buick is now Global (and should be introduced in Europe with a Split name with Opel for 10 years then a phasing out of Opel altogether (eg. Opel-Buick, Vaux-Buick) with Buick possibly as the upper end Opels in Europe. The Chevy Brand essentially would handle the entry level in Europe, but be substituted in other markets such as S. America where Opel's customer loyalty is not tied to it being the home maker (eg Germany).

People have to get past this BS though that Pontiac was anything other than a rebadge of a Chevy and one Toyota.. Before the G8.. Pontiac had absolutely nothing in it's line-up that made unique of more performance oriented over other brands at GMNA. The GTO hardly counts as it's sales barely made a difference at all, and it was even more unprofitable than the G8. Teh Solstice was shared with Saturn. The rest of Pontiac was a previous model Mazda6/Accord fighter without even a TRUE GXP model due to seemingly limitations to the Epsilon I's platform in the face of additional power over 252HP, a Toyota Corolla rebadge, a Cobalt coupe-only rebadge with none of the performance of the SS which always seemed ass backwards, and a rebadged Equinox.:(

Where is the Euphoria coming from???

It's worst in fact than people saying since GM doesn't have a dedicated performance brand for the common man... they will start buying Ford.. which has no more performance, and actually less than Chevy in which it almost completely emulates