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Originally Posted by Captain Awesome
You guys crack me up! The past 2 days you've all spent trying to argue that the raptor is the best off road truck ever made and the only thing you can come up with is that it can go fast in a race over sand dunes.
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The fact that you feel the need to try and belittle that capability so consistently says more than any retort that I will make. Still, the reality is that the same superb suspension tuning which allows the Raptor to literally cruise through rough desert terrain will also allow it to make short work of old gravel pits, washed out coal camp roads, and even marshy/swampy terrain and will allow the Raptor to do so at speeds that don't resemble those encountered in a mall parking lot. This capability has real world benefits for everybody, including people in the Appalachian mountain region where I live for obvious reasons.
In fact, I would argue that for people who actually use their 4wd out of necessity and not primarily for play at the local rock crawling convention Raptor is far more usable and practical for possessing that capability. Yeah, you give up some break over angle and ground clearance to the H3, but the difference isn't particularly large and it certainly doesn't make up for the H3's complete inability to cross rough terrain at speed, and the same excellent wheel travel and dampening characteristics which make the Raptor so adept at high speed travel help keep all four tires in contact with the ground at all times whatever the obstacle. And therein lies the rub, Raptor can do all the things you claim to be so important even if there are some vehicles which are better suited to the same. H3 can't cross rough terrain at speed at all, it isn't even a player.
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Originally Posted by Captain Awesome
Do you really expect anyone to take you seriously when you start making claims like "Throw in the fact that Raptor is cheaper and handles better on road than almost any regular, four wheel drive pickup"??? That's a pretty lame argument considering the premium price of the Raptor and the fact that you throw in qualifiers like "almost" and "regular" so that examples of superior handling and less expensive trucks can be discounted by you.
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Unless you are comparing Raptor to the H3, which would be ridiculous considering the Raptor is a full size truck, there is no comparison. Raptor is so much cheaper than H2 it should, and likely does, induce giggles. As for superior handling of lesser trucks, apparently it isn't even close. Reviewers have thus far indicated that Raptor easily trumps the handling and ride of any of the lesser, 4wd, Ford F-Series models, and since that truck is effectively the class benchmark dynamically speaking that makes this is a pretty easy conclusion to arrive at.
Hummers were overpriced Tahoes and Colorados with no overhang and a lift kit, and the market responded appropriately.
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Originally Posted by Zhawk
No offense, my friend, but I know that Harley Dividson made a couple of parts for military aircraft and that alone makes them 'military contractors'. Does that alone maek them the only motorcycle worth having? Heck GM, Ford, Chrysler, GE, and a lot of other manufacturers have been military contractors. There's almost no end to the companies that can claim the title of military contractor.
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The remote shock setup employed on the Raptor is basically the same military grade stuff used by the Humvee and Supacat, so this isn't simple jargon. This brings up a great point. Raptor offers the same military grade shock setup used on the militarys Humvees but the Hummer brand wouldn't offer you the same equipment on a H2 or H3. Think about that.
Of course, you don't need military grade hardware to crest parking lot speed bumps while rolling on twenty six inch rims, so I understand why GM didn't bother.