[Cmicasa the Great XvX]

Originally Posted by Dragoneye

And some people can't. It's okay.

Ford is on a roll...I find this to be true. I just saw a Taurus SHO yesterday, in fact....bigger than I expected; but nice, inside and out. Take a look at their trucks, their hybrids, and anything else they make right now...they've got very good product, most may not be class-leading, but they are still very competitive.

What I think Cmicasa is trying to say (and I don't mean to speak for you, bud); is that they are not on as MUCH of a roll as seems to be the case. Which is also true.

Exactly.

Originally Posted by vee8

Marketing...truth...facts....all of it is under interpretation of who writes it and who reads it.

The real fact is, and I don't like anything that Toyota makes, but the fact is, they have sold a helluva lot of cars because the people who bought them loved them. People that previously bought domestic cars quit buying them because they hated them.

This also pertains to Hyundai. What's funny is despite all the constant Foreign-Car lover rant about Hyundai being the new Toyota... by people such as Jerry Flint (Forbes) it seems that they act more like the OLD GM. During the first quarter of 2009 more than 33 percent of Hyundai's first quarter sales of 95,854 units were fleet sales. Rental car sales were 35 percent of Kia's sales during the same period. I'm sure during Mr. Flint's rant about Hyundai's rise and GM's fall he neglected to mention that. Funny as he used to mention it ALL THE TIME when GM had heavy fleet sales.. but never to that degree I might add.

OH.. And YES Hyundai sold more Sonatas than GM in June, but once again they did so via Avis and Hertz.. and wasn't June 1st the day that GM filed Chapt 11??? So let me get this straight.. GM was in BK during the month of June with production suspended and consumer confidence at an all time low waiting to see the outcome... and this clown (Flint) used that exact month as a gauge of how much better U think Hyundai's Sonata is compared to the Malibu??? Talk about an EFFING IDIOT.

Furthermore I find it funnier that the Malibu had no trouble beating the Sonata the very next month by a hefty margin. All while having the Impala selling right next to it with even slightly better numbers. Fact is some morons should have used the Impala as a comparison in this charade. It is more Fleet Heavy than the Malibu. The Malibu is extremely high in Retail sales.

Mr. Flint failed to mention that the GENESIS was having its ass kicked by a dead vehicle from Pontiac going by the name "G8?"

Did he mention that the Chevrolet Equinox sales were up 78 percent compared with July 2008? The Hyundai Tucson and Sante Fe combined sold less.

I may be a GM Fan boy... but many of the defenders of others are simply .