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Originally Posted by cellsafemode

Except study after study shows that even when instances of a given crime exist equally across races, minorities are targetted and criminalized far more than white.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...res-the-proof/

There is no more criminals in black society than white society. There's just more policing and more enforcement. That leads to a cycle that causes a disproportionate chance of violent interactions because each interaction isn't starting with a clean slate in the experience of the people. The're not going into thinking this is going to be fair and just.

So, you're sending me to the "opinions" section to find facts?
Why not find actual studies, not "data (that) relies primarily on news accounts, social media postings and police reports"

Originally Posted by cellsafemode

Just ...no. If this human nature was being applied without bias like you're suggesting, it would be everyone who is demanding change from how police are doing their job and it would have been corrected a long time ago....but it's not. because it's racism + human nature. Racism isn't human nature.

Are you trying to say that only one race is able to be racist? Or, more logically, there are racist in every ethnicity regardless of skin color?

Originally Posted by cellsafemode

Again, ignoring inconvenient stats. Black people make up less than 18% of the population and are multiple times more likely to be arrested than white people who make up 76% of the population even for the exact same offenses.

Where are the facts to back this claim up?

Originally Posted by cellsafemode

As a white person, I dont fear cops in my day to day life

Odd. That's not what you said in post #43:

"Even as a white person, when was the last time you were driving around and felt relieved with a cop driving behind you? Even if you aren't doing anything illegal? I know I dont."

Which way would you like it?

Originally Posted by cellsafemode

….not because i'm less violent and more reasonable during a traffic stop that black people are. It's because the entire interaction is less confrontational and violent. Guns aren't immediately raised. I'm not searched. It's a nice conversation and I haven't even gotten a ticket during those stops in over a decade. I'm not approached by cops on the street. My experience with police would not be the same if just my skin color was different.

I've experienced all these scenarios. And it's been done by officers of different races than I. Does that mean I experienced racism?

Originally Posted by cellsafemode

Crimes happen _all_ the time and the news doesn't cover them all. Inner city crime especially doesn't make the news because it's too common for the general public to care about. The only thing that gets into the news is the few that resonate with the public. For every post you get about a white woman calling the cops ...there are more where nobody had a camera on hand when it happened... or didn't know who the person was who called the cops. For every crime that the news reports on, there are others like it that do not get reported on.

So what you're saying is there is so much inner city crime it's common and yet black people are disproportionally incarcerated compared to whites.

Can you clarify this obvious flaw in your statements?

Originally Posted by cellsafemode

Did MLK and rosa parks really succeed if minorities are still not equal? Has the peaceful protests and marches really worked if it's been decades since them and taxpayer dollars are still going into the hands of government organizations that are statistically and objectively biased against minorities?

It's against the law for any of this to happen. If it does, individuals are punished. What do you want? A law that says "you must obey all laws"? Would that end everything? Yet, on the other side of the coin, you say some laws are "justifiably broken". To a racist, maybe they feel the same way....
It's just the fact that YOUR laws can't be broken.

Originally Posted by cellsafemode

Have we seen change in the police force for the better in the past 30+ years of publicized police killings of unarmed people? At what point do you stop doing what's obviously not working and start doing something that might?

And, if all these "killings" weren't justifiable it means the law was broken and people were punished. The 4 cops in this current case have been indicted. What more do you want? The people who allegedly committed a crime will have their day in court. How much looting is going to "set the clock back" and undo any of the event that occurred that day?

Originally Posted by cellsafemode

The things that rioters damage is not what makes riots a tool for the oppressed. The effect riots have is not that damaged property owners start seeing the other side ..it's that the general public demands that the government do something to stop this and return order to society. That demand on the government by the general public is the entire point that riots happen because that demand isn't being made any other way that's been tried.

So, extortion, intimidation, and bribery are acceptable to you? This is how you feel that societies should change policies, right or wrong, all depends on who is the most destructive and annoying?

Originally Posted by cellsafemode

17% isn't a majority to win elections. Even in localized areas, there are systems in place to disenfranchise minorities, to gerrymander, and to keep incumbents in power.

So, if this were the case, and the whole deck is stacked against them, how did the Civil Rights Act, or the Fair Housing Act, or the many other Federal and State laws get enacted? Did they loot and burn Congress?

Originally Posted by cellsafemode

Not to mention that you dont vote cops in.

But you do vote Sheriffs in...

Originally Posted by cellsafemode

Many government officials and agencies are not voted into office.

And are required by law to be impartial. Want to stretch this any more?

Originally Posted by cellsafemode

So even if minorities managed to get a candidate voted into some local office, they would have little power by themselves to do anything without support from a majority of their contemporaries.

Ever hear of these people?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Congre...l_Black_Caucus

How do they fit in your theory that they have no power and effect little change? Or maybe they are power hungry and use people to retain and increase their power?

Originally Posted by cellsafemode

If anything i think a lot of the initial damage caused by rioters were being attributed to white supremist groups and other groups who want a race war to break out and so join in these protests as a shield to do what they want to do.

I think you listen to the media too much. What sense would it make for a bunch of racists to go down to people they hate, befriend them and encourage them to break the law so they can turn around and kill them.

Does that make any sense to you?

Originally Posted by cellsafemode

But anytime you have a situation that is like this that needs to change and isn't, there's going to be damage.. And anytime those things are involving poor people, there's going to be looting. Some of these are race related and some just a byproduct of mobs in general.

Since this is "normal under these situations" have you offered your home or business to these guys to be looted and torched? Why not put your money where your mouth is and help with the change to make things right!

Originally Posted by cellsafemode

You can stop letting them get away with it. That's why we have law.

Any we do. Sometimes, just like robbers, we catch them before, during, or after the fact...

Originally Posted by cellsafemode

It's a white privilege to go the speed limit and pass a cop without fear. Most will go under. It's less about authority and more about the fact that the authority in question has the ability to ruin your life whenever they want to for whatever reason they feel like and that's more likely to happen if you're not white than if you are.

Have any stats to back this up?
Until then, here is a news flash.... Authority has that power, the media has that power, kids even have that power. And it's used on all races.

Originally Posted by cellsafemode

Yea, the whole resisting arrest and all is definitely what's happening to minorities with police. They're always resisting. Cops dont interact with you the same way they interact with minorities. Respect is earned. If you're part of a group that is being singled out by cops though, how much respect would you give them? If you're 3x as likely to be in the justice system as a white person because cops police you far more than white people, how nice are you going to be? The problem here is not how black people interact with cops. It's how cops interact with minorities. It's always been how cops interact with minorities because we've always had a racism problem with minorities in this country and cops have been given a pass on it because that's how the public feels about minorities too. But cops should be held to a higher standard than the public. They should be the best of us. Not a mirror.

So, the black cops who don't respect black thugs are "black-on-black" racists? What about Asian cops? Or Latino cops?