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Originally Posted by 95 imp

And, statistically, more black people are incarcerated. Perhaps, there are more criminals in that group? Forget all the socio-economic reasons. All the race cards. All the feel good blah blah. Cold. Hard. Statistics.



Can't defend that one...

Except study after study shows that even when instances of a given crime exist equally across races, minorities are targetted and criminalized far more than white.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...res-the-proof/

There is no more criminals in black society than white society. There's just more policing and more enforcement. That leads to a cycle that causes a disproportionate chance of violent interactions because each interaction isn't starting with a clean slate in the experience of the people. The're not going into thinking this is going to be fair and just.

This has been happening ever since the first cop got appointed. You can't change human nature. All people have failings. Life experiences also change people on BOTH sides of the law, for good and bad.

Just ...no. If this human nature was being applied without bias like you're suggesting, it would be everyone who is demanding change from how police are doing their job and it would have been corrected a long time ago....but it's not. because it's racism + human nature. Racism isn't human nature.

It can, and does, happen all the time. To all races, in all socio-economic levels and in a lot of circumstances. How many times have you been screwed by your insurance, the building dept, a business, a friend/neighbor? Bad thing happen to all people all the time and they do not deserve it.

Again, ignoring inconvenient stats. Black people make up less than 18% of the population and are multiple times more likely to be arrested than white people who make up 76% of the population even for the exact same offenses.

As a white person, I dont fear cops in my day to day life not because i'm less violent and more reasonable during a traffic stop that black people are. It's because the entire interaction is less confrontational and violent. Guns aren't immediately raised. I'm not searched. It's a nice conversation and I haven't even gotten a ticket during those stops in over a decade. I'm not approached by cops on the street. My experience with police would not be the same if just my skin color was different.

Further, if it happened as often as you claimed, you'd see it on the news. Trust me. That is their agenda. We now know when white women call the police over black people using BBQ's in the park against the posted rules, walking dogs, writing slurs on receipts. Ya, we'd know....
(Not condoning any of that stuff. Just. Cold. Hard. Statistics.)

Crimes happen _all_ the time and the news doesn't cover them all. Inner city crime especially doesn't make the news because it's too common for the general public to care about. The only thing that gets into the news is the few that resonate with the public. For every post you get about a white woman calling the cops ...there are more where nobody had a camera on hand when it happened... or didn't know who the person was who called the cops. For every crime that the news reports on, there are others like it that do not get reported on.

Do you think that florida is the only state where stupid people do crazy things because whenever something crazy happens they preface it with "Florida man ..." ? No, it's because florida is one of the only states that publicizes their crime reports as they happen. Other states have just the same kind of idiots doing stupid things, they just dont make it super simple for people to look it up and know about it.

I guess MLK, Rosa Parks, Gandi, Jews in Egypt, and probably a few others do not count? Do not remember any of them having to hurt innocent neighbors physically or economically to win people over. Further, is Nike, Apple, the corner grocery store the "people in charge"? How is looting and burning a black owned sports bar "furthering your cause"?

Did MLK and rosa parks really succeed if minorities are still not equal? Has the peaceful protests and marches really worked if it's been decades since them and taxpayer dollars are still going into the hands of government organizations that are statistically and objectively biased against minorities? Have we seen change in the police force for the better in the past 30+ years of publicized police killings of unarmed people? At what point do you stop doing what's obviously not working and start doing something that might?

The things that rioters damage is not what makes riots a tool for the oppressed. The effect riots have is not that damaged property owners start seeing the other side ..it's that the general public demands that the government do something to stop this and return order to society. That demand on the government by the general public is the entire point that riots happen because that demand isn't being made any other way that's been tried.

And how many of those people rioting have ever voted? Seriously.
How many of them even know who their state or federal representatives are to effect change? Maybe THAT is why there is no change.....

17% isn't a majority to win elections. Even in localized areas, there are systems in place to disenfranchise minorities, to gerrymander, and to keep incumbents in power. Not to mention that you dont vote cops in. Many government officials and agencies are not voted into office. So even if minorities managed to get a candidate voted into some local office, they would have little power by themselves to do anything without support from a majority of their contemporaries.

By all means, PLEASE do! It is your right. Whether I agree with it or not. But, that right stops the minute you injure your neighbor in order to further your "protest". How do you defend stealing 50+ cars (estimated @ $3 million) as "protesting"?

The people who are damaging property are being arrested and charged. I dont see or hear anyone saying that they should be allowed to legally do what they're doing. You can be justified in breaking the law, but still be convicted of the crime and in most cases...should be. But i dont think people are even saying that they're justified in general. If anything i think a lot of the initial damage caused by rioters were being attributed to white supremist groups and other groups who want a race war to break out and so join in these protests as a shield to do what they want to do. But anytime you have a situation that is like this that needs to change and isn't, there's going to be damage.. And anytime those things are involving poor people, there's going to be looting. Some of these are race related and some just a byproduct of mobs in general. What's interesting with this current situation is that we're seeing external groups directly taking advantage of the situation for their own purposes while trying to make it look like something else. That kind of manipulation and how well it works is what is scary. What happens if something that impacts you strongly enough that you need to march on washington to address gets manipulated outside of your control? What was swaying public opinion can quickly be shifted. What happens if the government you're trying to change is behind such actions? It's a dystopian outlook to think how little power any group of people have when the majority is who you need to sway.

Color of a persons' skin has no bearing on this. We are "all created equal".
I've had interactions with the police that were rather nasty and also very pleasant. I've been duped into trusting them when they are really trying to issue a ticket or whatever else.



You're right. It shouldn't. But it does. Sometimes the power goes to your head. Whether it's a badge, a boss, a mall cop, a building inspector, or the HOA. You can't change people.

You can stop letting them get away with it. That's why we have law.

And, personally, no, I am not intimidated by cops following me. I'll go right past one on the freeway or street. (respectfully, of course).
That's just me though. 99% of people are afraid of authority, or the potential use of authority.

It's a white privilege to go the speed limit and pass a cop without fear. Most will go under. It's less about authority and more about the fact that the authority in question has the ability to ruin your life whenever they want to for whatever reason they feel like and that's more likely to happen if you're not white than if you are.

I'm Sorry, but this is the stupidest thing you've said thus far.

99.9% of cops do NOT "kill or rough up" black people, or any people, because they want to. In a by-gone era, I might agree the "rough up" part
was more prevalent. But not today. Too many cameras, advocacy groups, education, social attitude changes, etc. for this to be any where mainstream.

They all dont have to. 99.9% of cops just have to let the other .1% get away with it when they do to make the interaction the same for all. Because it's not like the .1% wear a special "I am judge dredd" hat.

Let me ask you a question:
Do you go down the street and say "Hey, it might be fun to kill that guy today!"? But, somehow, in your strange world, you believe you give a fellow a blue uniform and a piece of metal and they run around murdering people?

How about, "I'm mad that the dog chewed up my favorite shoes, I think I'll go beat some one up to make myself feel better". Sounds ridiculous, huh?

You don't think that those 4 cops are sitting at home and calling their friends saying "We got one yesterday, too bad we got caught".

Or, like any human, do you think they just feel awful that they accidently killed someone? And, just torture themselves reliving what they did wrong, what they could of done different, how they didn't notice. Over and over, for the rest of their lives?

I have yet to have 4 cops jump on me, and I'm willing to bet the farm that none of us here have either. Why?

Because the color of our skin? (and that's all inclusive, not directed at just "white" people)

Or,

Because we weren't combative and resisting arrest?
We weren't endangering ourselves, the officers, or the public?
We were civil and respectful during the interaction?

Yea, the whole resisting arrest and all is definitely what's happening to minorities with police. They're always resisting. Cops dont interact with you the same way they interact with minorities. Respect is earned. If you're part of a group that is being singled out by cops though, how much respect would you give them? If you're 3x as likely to be in the justice system as a white person because cops police you far more than white people, how nice are you going to be? The problem here is not how black people interact with cops. It's how cops interact with minorities. It's always been how cops interact with minorities because we've always had a racism problem with minorities in this country and cops have been given a pass on it because that's how the public feels about minorities too. But cops should be held to a higher standard than the public. They should be the best of us. Not a mirror.