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Originally Posted by cellsafemode
yea.. 30 years of cops killing black people far disproportionally to how many white people they kill. Cops policing black people far disproportionally to white people.
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And, statistically, more black people are incarcerated. Perhaps, there are more criminals in that group? Forget all the socio-economic reasons. All the race cards. All the feel good blah blah. Cold. Hard. Statistics.
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Cops becoming ever more militarized.
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Can't defend that one...
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Cops getting away with crimes that non-cops wouldn't repeatedly. And that's not just 30 years of this happening, it's just been 30 since cameras have become ubiquitous enough that this can't be swept under the rug or called an isolated incident without proof.
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This has been happening ever since the first cop got appointed. You can't change human nature. All people have failings. Life experiences also change people on BOTH sides of the law, for good and bad.
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These instances we see on the news aren't _all_ of the instances these things happen. It's just the few that trickle into the public eye. They are backed by far more that aren't captured on camera....or aren't as blatently obvious in wrongful behavior.
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It can, and does, happen all the time. To all races, in all socio-economic levels and in a lot of circumstances. How many times have you been screwed by your insurance, the building dept, a business, a friend/neighbor? Bad thing happen to all people all the time and they do not deserve it.
Further, if it happened as often as you claimed, you'd see it on the news. Trust me. That is their agenda. We now know when white women call the police over black people using BBQ's in the park against the posted rules, walking dogs, writing slurs on receipts. Ya, we'd know....
(Not condoning any of that stuff. Just. Cold. Hard. Statistics.)
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Originally Posted by cellsafemode
civil rights didn't happen with nice conversation between the oppressed and the oppressors. It happened after riots and marches and protests. Even unions dont tend to get their way until they strike to hurt the people in charge.
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I guess MLK, Rosa Parks, Gandi, Jews in Egypt, and probably a few others do not count? Do not remember any of them having to hurt innocent neighbors physically or economically to win people over. Further, is Nike, Apple, the corner grocery store the "people in charge"? How is looting and burning a black owned sports bar "furthering your cause"?
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People in power dont seem to be listening ...the people who elect them dont directly suffer from the issue so necessary changes aren't happening the normal way things do.
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And how many of those people rioting have ever voted? Seriously.
How many of them even know who their state or federal representatives are to effect change? Maybe THAT is why there is no change.....
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So once again, protests are the only way to make a resistive controlling body do the right thing.
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By all means, PLEASE do! It is your right. Whether I agree with it or not. But, that right stops the minute you injure your neighbor in order to further your "protest". How do you defend stealing 50+ cars (estimated @ $3 million) as "protesting"?
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They're not demanding anything more than what white people (which i'm pretty sure most of us here are) get when it comes to interactions with cops. That's not unreasonable, but the constant downplaying rhetoric does nothing but try and keep the status quo.
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Color of a persons' skin has no bearing on this. We are "all created equal".
I've had interactions with the police that were rather nasty and also very pleasant. I've been duped into trusting them when they are really trying to issue a ticket or whatever else.
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It's not a few bad apples,...it's been going on forever and it shouldn't. Cops should be people we all consider good and want to have around. Not what they currently are in this country. Even as a white person, when was the last time you were driving around and felt relieved with a cop driving behind you? Even if you aren't doing anything illegal? I know I dont. That's not how cops should be seen by the public they serve.
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You're right. It shouldn't. But it does. Sometimes the power goes to your head. Whether it's a badge, a boss, a mall cop, a building inspector, or the HOA. You can't change people.
And, personally, no, I am not intimidated by cops following me. I'll go right past one on the freeway or street. (respectfully, of course).
That's just me though. 99% of people are afraid of authority, or the potential use of authority.
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It's just I know all I'm going to deal with is a minor hassle if they pull me over - 0% chance they'll hurt me, not potentially killed or roughed up like a black person has a real chance to be.
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I'm Sorry, but this is the stupidest thing you've said thus far.
99.9% of cops do NOT "kill or rough up" black people, or any people, because they want to. In a by-gone era, I might agree the "rough up" part
was more prevalent. But not today. Too many cameras, advocacy groups, education, social attitude changes, etc. for this to be any where mainstream.
Let me ask you a question:
Do you go down the street and say "Hey, it might be fun to kill that guy today!"? But, somehow, in your strange world, you believe you give a fellow a blue uniform and a piece of metal and they run around murdering people?
How about, "I'm mad that the dog chewed up my favorite shoes, I think I'll go beat some one up to make myself feel better". Sounds ridiculous, huh?
You don't think that those 4 cops are sitting at home and calling their friends saying "We got one yesterday, too bad we got caught".
Or, like any human, do you think they just feel awful that they accidently killed someone? And, just torture themselves reliving what they did wrong, what they could of done different, how they didn't notice. Over and over, for the rest of their lives?
I have yet to have 4 cops jump on me, and I'm willing to bet the farm that none of us here have either. Why?
Because the color of our skin? (and that's all inclusive, not directed at just "white" people)
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Because we weren't combative and resisting arrest?
We weren't endangering ourselves, the officers, or the public?
We were civil and respectful during the interaction?