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yeah - the above pc titles focus mainly on proper physics and realism whereas the consoles put alot of focus on the eye candy. I do enjoy the console titles as well for a bit of fun but if you want true simulation rfactor is where it's at. Turn 10 Studio's with forza 2 was a huge improvement as far as proper physics on a console so hopefully forza franchise will keep pushing it further and further away from the arcade style racing and we can end up with a legit console racing sim. If you like nascar style oval racing you need Arca Sim Racing. Nothing compares to the realism of the physics. Iracing is "prettier" and 100 times more expensive but thats about all.