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Originally Posted by Steve Dallas
You keep using that word "defensive holding". I do not think it means what you think it means.
We all know what defensive holding is. I didn't see any grabbing of the receiver. I did see hands put on the receiver, however that isn't holding. In fact, it's why I'd like to see another angle, because it MIGHT show a tug of the jersey. The video you provided shows nothing of that sort.
Mills didn't "jump on Jones back" as you seem to think. Julio fell. Mills effectively tripped over Jones when Jones was unable to make a clean cut and did end up on top of him temporarily. I don't dispute that. It was incidental though, because Jones FELL and Mills made a clean cut and tripped over a falling Jones. Incidental contact. Whether the ball was thrown or not doesn't matter. It was incidental contact because Jones lost his footing and Mills couldn't avoid him. Thus no pass interference, no defensive holding. No penalty call...as it should have been.
I've watched the video countless times already. I don't need to watch it again to see that Jones fell, and it was a good no-call.
I'm also still waiting for you to explain why you think Julio ran a Sprint Out route or a fade route. I'm really interested to hear about this...the logic that made you say that seems like it might explain why you think this should have been a penalty. I mean...if you don't know basic pass routes, why should we listen to you about anything else.
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I knew you wouldn't watch either video before commenting again.
Julio said himself the play was a "sprint out to me" I posted the video where he said this as well. I'm not posting it again. What ridiculous thing are you going to say now...that the NFL rules change based upon what route the receiver ran?....it doesn't matter what route was run.....the rule for defensive holding doesn't change.
I posted the facts and the truth...Your disputing them without even watching them. Your mixing rules of PI and IC together...when what I have stated here so far is DH.
The rule for defensive holding says a defender cannot hold or tackle a player who does not possess the ball...that's the very first thing stated in the video from the NFL I posted for DH. Of course you don't know this because as you said ..you didn't watch the video.
I'm done wasting time with someone who makes comments and doesn't even look at the proof.
Keep posting your lies....I don't care anymore......The proof is in my last post.
Mr. Ethical you call yourself.....what an absolute JOKE!
Mills jumped on his back.....anyone who actually watches the video can see it.
Believe a lie if it makes you happy.
I don't need to say anything else...your comments prove you didn't even watch the video's before you comment. I've known this the whole time. Thanks for clarifying it to everyone else.