Originally Posted by whiteboyblues2001 (Post 8942793)

The official GT350 brochure states:

"Carroll Shelby created his original 1965 GT350 to achieve ultra-quick lap times on road courses - exactly what the men and women at Ford Performance did with this new GT350."

Notice that it didn't state GT350 with the track pack or GT350R.

Also the Ford.com website states:

"• Braking
The foundation of any sports car is undoubtedly the brakes; therefore, brakes are a major part of the GT350 magic. So we teamed front and rear Brembo® with cross-drilled, two-piece, highly-engineered brake rotors. The huge 395mm (15.5”) rotors up front and 376mm (14.8”) rotors in the back complete this tight, hard working system that gives GT350 its well-earned track cred."

Notice the last sentence? The brakes give the GT350 its well-earned track cred.

It also states:

"• Aerodynamics
Balancing downforce with aerodynamic drag is always one of the biggest challenges a team of car designers can face. But Ford did it with a unique, detailed approach that centered on making it imperative that every single component play a major part in the total overall performance of the system. It’s a very hard thing to pull off, but our team of designers and engineers wouldn’t settle for less. So it’s not just that the GT350 has wider aluminum front fenders and a unique aluminum hood. It’s also that the front and rear fascias, splitter, rockers and rear valance with integrated diffuser all work together as a team – each and every one of them. And only as a team working together can this system keep the beautiful, powerful, exciting and intimidating GT350 racer pressed firmly to the track."

Again, notice the last sentence? The intimidating GT350... firmly to the TRACK. Not road, not driveway, not airport runway, not outer space. TRACK! And nothing states or even implies that you need the track pack or R version.

Another quote from the Ford website:

"What truly sets this Beast apart is that the Shelby GT350® isn’t just a combination of “go fast” parts *– any tuner can build one of those. The GT350 is a specifically engineered machine, where the components work dynamically together as one and perform to a world-class level on all fronts, as well as meeting Ford durability standards"

So the GT350 meets the "Ford durability standards", which apparently anyone would be a fool to assume includes not overheating on the warm-up lap of an HPDE event in cool weather without the optional coolers, even though most all the other cars in the world can.

The page for the 2015 GT350 NEVER mentions the term "GT350R". Here's the link:

http://www.ford.com/cars/mustang/201...#page=Feature4

They were clearly promoting the GT350 as a track capable car. Who builds a track capable car that isn't track capable unless you get additional options? That is like selling a pickup truck that you can't put a grain of sand in the bed unless you get an additional "haul stuff in the bed" package.:emoticon1:

Originally Posted by IOMike (Post 8944514)

Common sense is the car shouldn't immediately overheat on the track. For the same reason a z06 shouldn't, the gt350 shouldn't.

Ford dropped the ball big time and will hopefully make it right for the 2017 buyers. Shitty for the 2016 buyer though.

Originally Posted by Zeke.Malvo (Post 8944529)

Yeahh... not the same. Nice try tho.

I agree that Ford should have made them standard, but I think it was also 100% OK that they didn't since those versions of the GT350 trim are not intended for track use and we're aimed at a demographic that was not going to track them.

Originally Posted by detltu (Post 8944631)

Sorry. Only a Ford homer buys that. Any sports car should be able to complete a hpde.
Prolonged track use should mean more than a 20 minute session. Clearly the demographic thing hasn't worked out so well.

Roughly equivalent to saying people who buy automatics won't track them so it's OK the Z06s where overheating. It's bs and GM/Ford should make it right.

Originally Posted by Zeke.Malvo (Post 8944651)

Again, not the same. You seem unable to separate the two for whatever reason.

But I will add, I am 100% not surprised that the automatic Z06's aren't up to the task. Again, common sense.

Originally Posted by Zeke.Malvo (Post 8944651)

Again, not the same. You seem unable to separate the two for whatever reason.

But I will add, I am 100% not surprised that the automatic Z06's aren't up to the task. Again, common sense.

Originally Posted by GretchenGotGrowl (Post 8944752)

Mine is, sorry to hear about yours. Maybe it's driver error.

Originally Posted by hotlapZL1 (Post 8944757)

OK then. You're saying the GT350 is a poser. A low MSRP headline that isn't really a track car. It's a $15,000 engine upgrade and appearance package over a base GT. :facepalm:

Originally Posted by Zeke.Malvo (Post 8944777)

Calm down.

It's a car that has the driving dynamics of a track capable car and you get the full driving experience of a very well balanced car in a street trim, especially with the tech pack.

If you want to track it, get the TRACK PACK. Simple. It would be stupid to run at a track without any coolers.

I personally wouldn't bother with the Tech pack, but some people prefer their GT350's with comfort and convenience over having it capable of being tracked.

Originally Posted by whiteboyblues2001 (Post 8942793)

The official GT350 brochure states:

"Carroll Shelby created his original 1965 GT350 to achieve ultra-quick lap times on road courses - exactly what the men and women at Ford Performance did with this new GT350."

Notice that it didn't state GT350 with the track pack or GT350R.

Also the Ford.com website states:

"• Braking
The foundation of any sports car is undoubtedly the brakes; therefore, brakes are a major part of the GT350 magic. So we teamed front and rear Brembo® with cross-drilled, two-piece, highly-engineered brake rotors. The huge 395mm (15.5”) rotors up front and 376mm (14.8”) rotors in the back complete this tight, hard working system that gives GT350 its well-earned track cred."

Notice the last sentence? The brakes give the GT350 its well-earned track cred.

It also states:

"• Aerodynamics
Balancing downforce with aerodynamic drag is always one of the biggest challenges a team of car designers can face. But Ford did it with a unique, detailed approach that centered on making it imperative that every single component play a major part in the total overall performance of the system. It’s a very hard thing to pull off, but our team of designers and engineers wouldn’t settle for less. So it’s not just that the GT350 has wider aluminum front fenders and a unique aluminum hood. It’s also that the front and rear fascias, splitter, rockers and rear valance with integrated diffuser all work together as a team – each and every one of them. And only as a team working together can this system keep the beautiful, powerful, exciting and intimidating GT350 racer pressed firmly to the track."

Again, notice the last sentence? The intimidating GT350... firmly to the TRACK. Not road, not driveway, not airport runway, not outer space. TRACK! And nothing states or even implies that you need the track pack or R version.

Another quote from the Ford website:

"What truly sets this Beast apart is that the Shelby GT350® isn’t just a combination of “go fast” parts *– any tuner can build one of those. The GT350 is a specifically engineered machine, where the components work dynamically together as one and perform to a world-class level on all fronts, as well as meeting Ford durability standards"

So the GT350 meets the "Ford durability standards", which apparently anyone would be a fool to assume includes not overheating on the warm-up lap of an HPDE event in cool weather without the optional coolers, even though most all the other cars in the world can.

The page for the 2015 GT350 NEVER mentions the term "GT350R". Here's the link:

http://www.ford.com/cars/mustang/201...#page=Feature4

They were clearly promoting the GT350 as a track capable car. Who builds a track capable car that isn't track capable unless you get additional options? That is like selling a pickup truck that you can't put a grain of sand in the bed unless you get an additional "haul stuff in the bed" package.:emoticon1:

Originally Posted by titanfan (Post 8945418)

Nice post but, in the end, I still couldn't find the words "most track-capable Mustang ever" in any of that information. My original point was, the ONLY GT350 that those words were used on by Ford marketing was the GT350R. That has not changed.

Originally Posted by titanfan (Post 8945418)

Nice post but, in the end, I still couldn't find the words "most track-capable Mustang ever" in any of that information. My original point was, the ONLY GT350 that those words were used on by Ford marketing was the GT350R. That has not changed.