IRS is a great point. :)

Don't forget, too, that there's just more metal in the Camaro. In addition to being a bit larger overall, it's a stronger/stiffer structure due to a very solid construction...

Great point as well Dragoneye. I'm sure all those things add up. Like i said above, they are very similar in size and the majority of the weight difference is the IRS.

There was a picture somewhere on this site with just the frame, engine, suspension, and rear end, that really show's just how big the IRS is in comparison to the engine. Searched forever with no luck...

Anyone know the picture im talking about?

As for the gauge cluster, they may seem outa place but I believe you can get all the same readings from the HUD ( for more spirited driving ). Someone please correct me if I'm wrong.

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It's not so much of "they seem outa place" but just, i don't know how to explain it. I guess i would say they look corny or silly. Something like that lol. They are definately not your typical gauge cluster...:laugh:

The HUD definately seems like a cool feature, but still doesn't take away the look of the gauge cluster i was talking about.

Well think of it like this, it's kind of nestled under the dash and right at the the head of the shifter, it's kinda like a extension of the dash or control panel on a rocket ship. When your bangin 6 it makes you part of the beast that your in total control of ( or we would like to hope so ). or just forget its there and drive like hell, you won't have time to look at it anyway.....:thumbup:

Is the given weight of the GT500 after the performance package and track pack. I would have to imagine those options would add weight?

Omg, the mustangs rear looks soooo weak and cheap compared to the ZL1. Says a lot about the structure and integrity of the ZL1 vs. the GT500. Now I see why GM will warranty track use.

exactly, that would add alot of weight

Aww..we made the ford guys cry....

I definitely wouldn't call the Mustangs rear end weak. In fact there are way fewer potential failure points on a solid rear end than the IRS. Im not slamming either I'm simply saying they each have their benefits and drawbacks in different scenarios. Just don't let the simple look of the solid rear influence your judgement of strength.

To SIRLION great post! It's healthy to see the world with
the blinders off, you see more of it. This is true wether it
be cars or any thing else in life.
I have never owned a Camaro before, in fact my Dad
purchased a 67 blue/black top mustang new at the
dealer. Since then I have owned two GT's and my
brother is currently driving a 2005 GT. BTW he can't wait
to take a spin in my ZL1 when I get it.

When I saw the the first 5th gen on the road when they
first came out, I was like what a beautiful car. So I told
myself one day I will own this car for myself. I was really
waiting for the Z28 to come out, and when the spy shots
came out about this new car I joined the forums. But
because the name was not known yet but the letter Z
was mostly going to be in it, I called myself Z4me.

One thing I have noticed from reading many of the posts
over the past couple of years. It seems that the Ford
Mustang owners due tend to have thief blinders on more
then let's say the Dodge or Chevy owners. Not all of
course there are a number who post here and are very
open minded about these cars. In fact some own both
cars and are proud of it.
For me personally I love the design of the 5th gens, yeah
the interior could be better, but so could the mustangs
compared to the European cars. But some mods can be
done here and there, and that will be part of the fun for
me as well.
I'm just thankfull for the choice of options that we have.
It's a great time indeed to be a car enthusiast, welcome
aboard and perhaps will see you driving a ZL1 in the
future.

While I'm a "dyed in the wool" Camaro/Chevrolet fan, I can appreciate a nice car, whether it's the ZL1, GT500, Challenger, etc.. ;)

I like the competition and rivalry between the brands, and you could argue that without each other, none of them might not exist.

I have respect for all brands, as well as the enthusiast who can respect each brand and the loyalist of each brand. :thumbsup:

This is the category I fall into. I just happened to born into a GM family and Chevy will always have my heart. After owning a Corvette, a Camaro SS, and now having a ZL1 on order, my bias is clear, but at the end of the day I am still a CAR GUY and can appreciate a nice ride no matter what badge it's wearing.