03-16-2014, 01:29 PM | #1 |
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The "Catch Can" Explained
Modern engines feature a variety of emission control devices and systems to reduce the toxic gases released into the atmosphere. One of these is called the Positive Crankcase Ventilation (PCV) system. During the combustion process a small amount of gases leak or "blow-by" the piston rings and create a positive pressure in the crankcase. The PCV system vents these gases along with oil mist from the crankcase and routes it back into the intake manifold so it can be burned off. The problem is, over time the excess oil vapor collects along the inside of the intake tract and forms a "gunk". This can lead to a variety of issues including carbon build up, retarded timing, detonation, and power loss.
Oil pooling inside intake manifold Carbon build up on intake valves Going forward this carbon build up will become more and more of an issue. As automotive manufacturers continue to adopt Direct Injection (DI) technology in their now engine designs, any benefits that previously existed due to fuel washing over the intake valves will be lost. As you can see in the diagram below, with Direct Injection fuel is introduced directly into the combustion chamber. The LLT and LFX V6s in the Camaro are both DI engines as is the new LT1 in the C7 Stingray and all of the new LT based GM truck engines. A "catch can" is an aftermarket device that will condense and collect the oil vapor before it has a chance to reach the intake system. As the gases and oil vapor enter the can they typically pass through a screening mechanism that gives the oil vapor something to adhere to. As the droplets form they drop harmlessly into the bottom of the reservoir so that they can later be drained. The other gases are allowed to pass through so that they can be burned of as intended. Fluid captured in catch can after 800 miles When it comes to selecting a catch can you will get what you pay for. Cheap catch cans (less than $100) are plentiful but they are often little more than an empty can with two ports. These will capture a small amount of fluid but the vast majority passes straight through and ends up where you don't want it. Be sure that the can is designed with an effective internal filtration and baffling system to pull the oil vapor out of suspension. Apex Motorsports catch cans are designed to be the best functioning catch can for Camaro owners but there are a couple other good options as well. As always, if you have questions regarding this or any topic the crew at Apex Motorsports is more than happy to answer them. Last edited by Apex Motorsports; 05-07-2014 at 12:01 PM. |
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Seeing is believing. Here are a few posts by Camaro5 members after installing the Apex Motorsports catch can.
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03-16-2014, 02:13 PM | #3 |
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Great write up.
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03-17-2014, 11:23 AM | #6 |
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The facts are clear that crankcase gases can be a significant component in the intake charge. See: http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=328400. Other direct injected engine manufacturers have their hands full as well. Toyota had some very public engine varnishing issues on their traditional port injected v6's.
With traditional port injected engines gasoline additives are usually effective in cleaning valves. I use Shell or Chevron for filling up. However there are still issues with coking of piston rings, and reduction of engine octane resulting from crankcase gases. Do crankcase gases affect the LS3? In my experience - yes, in terms of affecting octane. Even with the 1LE clean side separator I still experienced audible pinging. This kept the engine from consistently remaining in the high octane fuel map, just when I started having fun. I also had misses at idle. Both annoyed the heck out of me. Now with a dirty side catch can, the situation has reversed from the engine running well on "good days", to running well most of the time. Having a cleaner intake and reduced chance of coked rings are great side benefits. We have a Suburban, and right on schedule at 70K miles (per others' experience on the Internet), I started to get some oil burning despite frequent oil changes. The cause is said to coked piston rings due mostly to the AFM system, but accelerated by crankcase gases. I love both cars, but manufacturers have limits to what they are willing and able to engineer into their products. |
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03-18-2014, 06:14 PM | #9 |
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I hope this isnt a stupid question as I am unfamiliar with the catch can, but where is it installed? I hear alot about it and from what i can see it sounds like a great investment.
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03-18-2014, 07:50 PM | #11 |
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I used to be a skeptic as well, but figured why not for the price.
My only regret is waiting 10k miles to put it on. Mine catches several ounces between every oil change.
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03-18-2014, 08:45 PM | #12 |
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Consider my order placed this Friday. I'll make sure to mention these to any Camaro owners my family shop has come in as well.
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