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Old 12-21-2017, 03:39 PM   #197
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To make the interior a more pleasant place to be, they need to open up the windows and they aren’t gonna do that.

You can’t sell these cars with a “you’ll get used to it”. If you can’t see out of the fuxkin thing during the test drive you’re gonna lose sales. Common sense. I don’t care how good it made the car look. The styling didn’t do it for me anyway.

As much as I love the overall quality, drivetrain, and chassis on these cars, I am eyeing up 2012 gt500s
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Old 12-22-2017, 11:09 AM   #198
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Did I see that the '19 will have 485hp, 6900 rpm redline and a optional 10 speed? fake news?
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Old 12-22-2017, 11:12 AM   #199
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Did I see that the '19 will have 485hp, 6900 rpm redline and a optional 10 speed? fake news?
I received that photo last night with Camaro6 ghosted over it. Fake news
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Old 12-22-2017, 12:33 PM   #200
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I received that photo last night with Camaro6 ghosted over it. Fake news
Got to look at the big picture for GM.

They are coming out with the C8 Corvette in 2019, right? That will be the Camaro refresh year. So while there might be a revised LT1 making more power.. who knows what is going in the C8.

Will it be a more powerful smallblock 6.2L V8, updated with a new engine name? Possible right.. history has this pegged. LS1 > LS6 > LS2 > LT1. etc etc could be something following that tread, with marginal more horsepower. This would be the BEST case scenario.

BUT.. another thing to consider is that C8 Corvette, as spy shots show, will be a mid-engine car. Will a 6.2L N/A V8 work for that mid-engine car? Or does a smaller, higher revving engine work better that application? If GM engineers decide on the latter, then that would make things interesting.

Camaro could continue to use LT1 (and stay at 455HP or go to "460HP" like they did in the Corvette, for marketing sake). Orrrrr... they might throw in a smaller higher revving V8 from the C8?

So yeah, to tie it up.. I think 2019 will be:

1. Same engine.
2. Evolution engine, with more power.
3. Smaller engine that revs more.

My gut is going with #1. It's not like Camaro is "lacking" in power. Mustang was outselling Camaro, with LESS power. Adding more power isn't the sales solution for GM. Cost plays a big factor, and to keep the costs "down", #1 makes the most sense.
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Old 12-22-2017, 01:49 PM   #201
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I think at this point there is good evidence to say that the LT1 will go in the ME Corvette to start followed by two DOHC TT V8 powerplants. The LT1 will stop being put in Corvette's around 2021 or so.

That said, it would probably easy for GM to up the HP to 470-480 without a lot of work. Whether they want to or even need to is a good question.
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Old 12-22-2017, 02:16 PM   #202
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Got to look at the big picture for GM.

They are coming out with the C8 Corvette in 2019, right? That will be the Camaro refresh year. So while there might be a revised LT1 making more power.. who knows what is going in the C8.

Will it be a more powerful smallblock 6.2L V8, updated with a new engine name? Possible right.. history has this pegged. LS1 > LS6 > LS2 > LT1. etc etc could be something following that tread, with marginal more horsepower. This would be the BEST case scenario.

BUT.. another thing to consider is that C8 Corvette, as spy shots show, will be a mid-engine car. Will a 6.2L N/A V8 work for that mid-engine car? Or does a smaller, higher revving engine work better that application? If GM engineers decide on the latter, then that would make things interesting.

Camaro could continue to use LT1 (and stay at 455HP or go to "460HP" like they did in the Corvette, for marketing sake). Orrrrr... they might throw in a smaller higher revving V8 from the C8?

So yeah, to tie it up.. I think 2019 will be:

1. Same engine.
2. Evolution engine, with more power.
3. Smaller engine that revs more.

My gut is going with #1. It's not like Camaro is "lacking" in power. Mustang was outselling Camaro, with LESS power. Adding more power isn't the sales solution for GM. Cost plays a big factor, and to keep the costs "down", #1 makes the most sense.
This is what I saw last night. Obviously fake because it hasn't appeared on Camaro6 but has its logo on it.

One reason to believe a power bump will come is the dual-injection system seen on the new LT5. Introducing that tech to the naturally asperated version would be reason enough for a power bump and LT2 name.

A jump of the magnitude depicted here and I'd trade in my 16 rather than hold for gen7
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Old 12-22-2017, 02:20 PM   #203
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This is what is what I saw last night. Obviously fake because it hasn't appeared on Camaro6 but has its log on it.

One reason to believe a power bump will come is the dual-injection system seen on the new LT5. Introducing that tech to the naturally asperated version would be reason enough for a power bump and LT2 name.

A jump of the magnitude depicted here and I'd trade in my 16 rather than hold for gen7
That was a photo-shop done on here in a different thread... It has appeared on here.

http://www.camaro6.com/forums/showthread.php?t=510612
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Old 12-23-2017, 01:10 AM   #204
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This is what I saw last night. Obviously fake because it hasn't appeared on Camaro6 but has its logo on it.

One reason to believe a power bump will come is the dual-injection system seen on the new LT5. Introducing that tech to the naturally asperated version would be reason enough for a power bump and LT2 name.

A jump of the magnitude depicted here and I'd trade in my 16 rather than hold for gen7
this is 100% fake news my buddy made the photo for a troll group on fb none of it means anything close to true lol
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Old 12-23-2017, 01:15 AM   #205
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I think at this point there is good evidence to say that the LT1 will go in the ME Corvette to start followed by two DOHC TT V8 powerplants. The LT1 will stop being put in Corvette's around 2021 or so.

That said, it would probably easy for GM to up the HP to 470-480 without a lot of work. Whether they want to or even need to is a good question.
There is zero evidence the C8 will get an LT1. The only evidence of anything has been the two DOHC engines.

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Old 12-23-2017, 02:31 AM   #206
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Come to think of it '95 to '96 LT1 was increased from 275 to 285HP. .
You're right, OBD 2 but also dual catalytic converters over one single, they did the same thing with the L98s in '89, the N10 dual catalytic cars got a 10HP bump over the previous single cat cars.
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Old 12-23-2017, 04:40 AM   #207
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this is 100% fake news my buddy made the photo for a troll group on fb none of it means anything close to true lol
I didn't know we are buddys? I made the renderings for this forum as you can see here or here
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Old 12-23-2017, 06:49 AM   #208
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Old 12-23-2017, 06:51 AM   #209
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Got to look at the big picture for GM.

They are coming out with the C8 Corvette in 2019, right? That will be the Camaro refresh year. So while there might be a revised LT1 making more power.. who knows what is going in the C8.

Will it be a more powerful smallblock 6.2L V8, updated with a new engine name? Possible right.. history has this pegged. LS1 > LS6 > LS2 > LT1. etc etc could be something following that tread, with marginal more horsepower. This would be the BEST case scenario.

BUT.. another thing to consider is that C8 Corvette, as spy shots show, will be a mid-engine car. Will a 6.2L N/A V8 work for that mid-engine car? Or does a smaller, higher revving engine work better that application? If GM engineers decide on the latter, then that would make things interesting.

Camaro could continue to use LT1 (and stay at 455HP or go to "460HP" like they did in the Corvette, for marketing sake). Orrrrr... they might throw in a smaller higher revving V8 from the C8?

So yeah, to tie it up.. I think 2019 will be:

1. Same engine.
2. Evolution engine, with more power.
3. Smaller engine that revs more.

My gut is going with #1. It's not like Camaro is "lacking" in power. Mustang was outselling Camaro, with LESS power. Adding more power isn't the sales solution for GM. Cost plays a big factor, and to keep the costs "down", #1 makes the most sense.
How much smaller can a dohc v8 or even a v6 be...outer dimensions and weight on gen v is very little
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Old 12-23-2017, 10:12 AM   #210
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I'd be surprised if GM bumped HP significantly.

Go back to Gen5, the LS3 didn't get an increase in that period that I recall. GM's has a track record of not bumping HP within a model.

2019 will likely follow the cook book. Front and rear lamps, front and rear fascia and a center stack tweak to the IP. That is an MCE for GM.

But GM doesn't typically add transmissions either and I suspect the 10 speed goes in for '19, it has to really just for the incremental FE bump.

That being said, it's possible GM bumps the HP with the 10 speed. But it won't be in response to the Mustang. They would have had to made that decision 3 years ago.
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