New Vs. Original: 2014 Camaro Z/28 vs. 1967 Z/28

[29er]

i'll take the 67.

[90503]

Originally Posted by AZCamaroFan

I've read for years how underrated that engine was , but Motor Trend had it 0-60 in over 7 seconds.
and before someone says something about the tire size they had the 63' Sting Ray under 6 seconds and they were no larger.

I think the Z/28 had a few options for that engine...a cross-ram, dual-carbed manifold comes to mind....For sure would bump up hp....

[DwRed1LTV6]

new desktop pic's here aswell

[*007]

Originally Posted by DGthe3

Interesting, however the top Corvette for the 2014 model year is a 3LT with the Z51 package at about $63 grand. Somehow I don't think the new Z/28 is going to be $39,690.

I never said the top 2014 Vette... I said the top Vette. there are still some ZR1's on some lots. So.... your twist of logic is faulty. Good try. I never said the Z/28 would come in at $39*** I said $70*** ish. Oh well, you tried. C-.

[DGthe3]

Originally Posted by *007

I never said the top 2014 Vette... I said the top Vette. there are still some ZR1's on some lots. So.... your twist of logic is faulty. Good try. I never said the Z/28 would come in at $39*** I said $70*** ish. Oh well, you tried. C-.

Indeed, you never said the top 2014 Corvette. But by using the 1967 Camaro Z/28 and the 1967 Corvette, logic would dictate that for the 2014 Z/28 you should use the 2014 Corvette -not the 2013.

[wildpaws]

Originally Posted by 90503

I think the Z/28 had a few options for that engine...a cross-ram, dual-carbed manifold comes to mind....For sure would bump up hp....

Very few of the cross rams were ever used on the street, the single four barrrel carb was quite enough for the street as it was a Holley 780cfm double pumper. Once you made some linkage adjustments to the carb to better control the secondaries and or re-jetting, you were pretty much at optimum gas intake for the 302cid engine as built at the factory. Back in '69 I found a lot of improvement to be had from ignition improvements like a dual point distributor. Chevrolet Dyno charts from back in the day show the single four barrel producing 440hp@ 7,400 rpm and the cross ram dual quads producing 463hp@ 7,400 rpm.
Clyde

[*007]

Originally Posted by DGthe3

Indeed, you never said the top 2014 Corvette. But by using the 1967 Camaro Z/28 and the 1967 Corvette, logic would dictate that for the 2014 Z/28 you should use the 2014 Corvette -not the 2013.

If you logic dictates only using comps on cars from the same year that are released, then you cant do it because the z/28 is not released yet. Mine was a hypothetical comp. Intended to be hypothetical and my comp, as stated, justifies a $70Kish Z/28 price. My logic is sound. You can twist it... but no reason to. Correct?

[DGthe3]

Originally Posted by *007

If you logic dictates only using comps on cars from the same year that are released, then you cant do it because the z/28 is not released yet. Mine was a hypothetical comp. Intended to be hypothetical and my comp, as stated, justifies a $70Kish Z/28 price. My logic is sound. You can twist it... but no reason to. Correct?

You used two cars from the same model year for 1967, so it only makes sense to do the same thing for the 2014 Z/28. I'm not really sure how that doesn't make for a fair, honest, apples to apples comparison. If you don't think it does, well I can't really convince you and I'm not even going to try. Its your opinion, and thats that. And I'm not trying to twist anything, as you said I have no reason to.

But we've taken up a little too much space in this thread with our side-discussion. So lets agree that if a 1966 Corvette with as many go-fast goodies as you could tick off on the order sheet came in at around $5,400 ... the 67 Z/28 was about $3,500 ... the 2013 ZR1 tops out at $122k ... so the 2014 Z/28 would be around 79 grand.

[AZCamaroFan]

the one thing i'd ad to that is that the new Z/28 is a far more extreme performance car than any of it's predecessor's. it looks to be just this side of a race car.
Hence the higher price.

[*007]

Originally Posted by DGthe3

You used two cars from the same model year for 1967, so it only makes sense to do the same thing for the 2014 Z/28. I'm not really sure how that doesn't make for a fair, honest, apples to apples comparison. If you don't think it does, well I can't really convince you and I'm not even going to try. Its your opinion, and thats that. And I'm not trying to twist anything, as you said I have no reason to.

But we've taken up a little too much space in this thread with our side-discussion. So lets agree that if a 1966 Corvette with as many go-fast goodies as you could tick off on the order sheet came in at around $5,400 ... the 67 Z/28 was about $3,500 ... the 2013 ZR1 tops out at $122k ... so the 2014 Z/28 would be around 79 grand.

Agree 100% .... the logic either way reveals the new Z/28 to settle in somewhere around the $70++ish K mark. My aim was to compare the Z/28 to the most expensive Vette.... I think a Vette within ONE year doesn't erode the premise. I think we agree on the justification for a moderately high price on the new Z/28. Final words as well. Thanks for listening. I just basically think there IS and the car will prove to be worth every penny! Wish I had some of them to enjoy.... will likely have to settle for the Stingray however! Need to expand garage!

[j-rho]

I built a '67 Z28 clone to race in SCCA (see sig). The '67 Z28 had about 12 different final drive ratio options, up to 4.88. Transmission ratios in the only available transmission (close-ratio M21) were 2.2, 1.64, 1.28, 1. With the short gear they were very fast in the quarter mile.

Weight is the big thing here. My '67 optioned how you could option the car then (no smog pump, no heater) but with full interior, totally stock engine/bumpers, etc. but 25lb. front seats and a light battery, is 2950lbs. with a full tank (18+ gallons). More like 2850 with enough to get down the 1/4. Those same mods to a new Z28, even one with no A/C, would still have you around ~3675lbs.

The '67 is my dream car, but isn't something I want to drive regularly, so I'm thinking about a new Camaro... can't decide between 1LE, ZL1, Z28. May end up waiting for the new ATS platform car. The same power and wheel/tire widths in something smaller and 3-500 lbs. lighter would be much much better.

[Group-A Wheels]

Very interseting post. The specs are actually more interesting then the pictures.

[fbodfather]

Originally Posted by Doc

Only problem with this photo comparison is they have a 1967 RS Rally Sport; not a Z/28.

It's a real Z/28 (the '67) -- owned by a good friend in Indianapolis -- we borrowed it from him. It was found in a barn - the original owner bought it - didn't realize that the Z/28 was designed for a road course and he wasn't happy with performance at the drag strip - so he put it away and supposedly bought another Camaro...........with a big-block.

The 1967 Camaro Z/28 did not have any ID saying Z/28....that didn't happen until part-way thru the '68 model year....

.(and I say this because I remember our family dealership having a Corvette Bronze Z/28 on the showroom floor for a lonnggggg time -- it had no Z/28 markings on it - even though it should have as Corvette Bronze was a late color that year.....)

Also - no cross-ram from the factory on '67 Z/28. ...in fact, that's the reason that only one Z/28 convertible was built during the 1st gen -- a 1968 in British Green. -- Pete Estes was the General Manager of Chevrolet at the time - he loved convertibles - and if you wanted to ensure that he drove something - you made sure it was installed on a convertible. The car still exists - was sold about three years ago.

[yenkotown]

Originally Posted by Doc

I don't remember them having any badging on them, but apparently the prototype car introduced at Riverside Raceway in 1966 did in fact have RS badges on it. It must have been an extremely rare option because I don't remember ever seeing one and I lived near Riverside Raceway back then and was out there often watching races. We'd see all kinds of stuff running around on the streets in Pomona and Ontario back in those days. The Z/28 was a sleeper because it (usually) DIDN'T have any badges so people would think it was just the base model with no upgrades. They found out how wrong they were only after the light turned green lol.

Here's a link with some interesting back-story:

http://www.67z28.com/history.htm

It absolutely can have a 302 logo on the extreme right front fender....I saw dozens of them at Yenko in person as a kid. No Z/28 logos until Jan "68. My new 1968 was the first one the dealer saw !!