Help me rebuild ......... what to buy ... what to re-use... etc.

[PQ]

Originally Posted by Chris@Livernois

No need to worry about getting back to me quickly. We are here because of your needs. PQ we could always spec you a new cam that will work best with your setup i.e. heads, exhaust, shortblock, blower etc.

Are you looking to run pump gas or race gas? Stick or Auto? If a stick do you have an upgraded clutch? Like I said, over power me with info and I can tell you exactly what you need sir! Thanks. -Chris

Pump gas. This is my daily driver. Or at least a car that I put 22k miles per year on.

6L80E that is still stock and has shown faint signs of fatigue. haha But I think still good for now.

When you say spec me out a cam I assume that will include the proper length pushrods. Or would I need to measure later? I'll be using the stock heads. Might so a valve job to complete the rebuild but money is cetainly an object here. haha

Originally Posted by csjcsj

I believe these are the specs on the cam he is/was running!

223/227 .610/.614 114+4

I looked it up but for some reason I want to say these are new specs! Seems like the older ones ran a 115+3! But not totally sure!

Whatever they ran a few years ago.

Originally Posted by NinoSS

I have a Vengeance stage 1 cam and it is 223/231 .610/.614 115+3. I see their website has different specs now listed.

Dont' have the cam right now. Left it at the office but it says on the back.

Originally Posted by Scott@Bjorn3D

Chris,

He is a L99 that had what Vengenace called a LS3 conversion. I know it is his daily driver so probably pump gas.

Originally Posted by csjcsj

I believe you have the older version as well as PQ! Thanks for the correction!!

Originally Posted by NinoSS

Im pretty sure he has the same cam as well.

You have had no problems?

Originally Posted by Gunslinger09

Personally I would rebuild the block with a light hone, the stock crank and some good aftermarket forged pistons and rods. Throw in a new high volume oil pump and quality lifters. Do a valve job on the heads with the new springs for your chosen cam, reassemble, reinstall and enjoy.

Not beyond a bad idea since I am on a budget. But I don't know anyone here in Mobile that could do the hone.

Originally Posted by zebra

instead of shorter rods, you'd probably be better to use pistons with a little more dish to them.


10.8:1? how much boost are you running? more importantly, what kind of gas are you using?

even though Ohio is only 1000+ ft higher in elevation, you gotta remember Mobile is at sea level (think really dense air). when you start throwing 9-10psi of boost at it, i wouldn't trust pump 93 to do the job.

Just so the cr is low enough to get more power with the same boost level yet still ok to run it NA if I wanted to sell it and keep the blower.

Originally Posted by zebra

and IRPQ,
i know it's great that you're finally getting a built engine, but i really hate the circumstances. reminds me of how i finally got the v8 i wanted in my truck you've definitely got the most dedication i've ever seen towards one car
you've got so many stories packed into these past 3 yrs about how "the car's doing this", "the car did that", "the car broke my ____"...
i hate that i ain't been able to be more help, even the times i came over to take stuff apart or reinstall.

hopefully i don't have to go this route for my forged stroker... i'm already on this road towards a build TR6060 swap. ever since Road Atlanta, trans fluid has been slowly migrating from the inside of the case to my garage floor

I hear ya. I appreciate it.

Me and this car have been through a lot. I've kind of stuffed all those years not owning one into a short period of time. hahaha

My tranny is on borrowed time. I never thought it would be my engine before the transmission. I have been going through my head wondering if it was something that I did. Maybe over reving that time is what did it. I guess I will never know. I do know it really sux.

I sure would have had you over helping. haha, but no sweat at all. You have no choice. And you were there for me when I needed.

Originally Posted by 10aSSee D

Not sure if this was mentioned but I would say some ID850's are in your future for injectors as well.

I think I mentioned it in the other thread but good input.

Bigger injectors and a fuel pump upgrade are a must. Especially if I end up with more cubes.

[bmbbl be]

10.8:1? how much boost are you running? more importantly, what kind of gas are you using?

even though Ohio is only 1000+ ft higher in elevation, you gotta remember Mobile is at sea level (think really dense air). when you start throwing 9-10psi of boost at it, i wouldn't trust pump 93 to do the job.[/QUOTE]


6-7lbs .... 91 octane

[NinoSS]

I have had no problems at all with my cam. I hope you get things sorted out...

[PQ]

Originally Posted by NinoSS

I have had no problems at all with my cam. I hope you get things sorted out...

I'll be happier I'm sure. But broker too. Ugh.......

[PQ]

[zebra]

Originally Posted by bmbbl be

6-7lbs .... 91 octane

yeah, that ain't too bad. i just wouldn't personally pulley down on that - especially if i only had 91.

for Randy (assuming he's planning on putting the smaller pulley back on after the rebuild), i'd say somewhere around 10.2 CR should be good for 12-13psi & still leave the option of pulling the blower.

Originally Posted by IRPQ

**pic of cam**

any chance you still have the cam card with specs? that'd be the definitive answer.

[Bo White]

13016R 223/.610
13017R 227/.614
115 lsa +3 advanced

[Scott@Bjorn3D]

Yeah I would not go to crazy with boost on only 91 and knowing he travels out of his area for Camaro Fest, you never know what you will get for gas. That was the biggest pain in my ass when I had #230, had to always try to find 93 octane or she knocked bad.

[PQ]

Originally Posted by zebra

for Randy (assuming he's planning on putting the smaller pulley back on after the rebuild), i'd say somewhere around 10.2 CR should be good for 12-13psi & still leave the option of pulling the blower.


any chance you still have the cam card with specs? that'd be the definitive answer.

I never had the cam card. I bought the cam from John (DrJkel) after it was on his car for a few weeks. (he wanted more lope)

I might do the Livernois 419. Then I should be able to keep the same boost level I have now and get more power anyway and still be safe. Plus lower the compression to around 10.2 or a tad lower and still make good power if I do pull the blower.

Originally Posted by Bo White

13016R 223/.610
13017R 227/.614
115 lsa +3 advanced

That's the specs on mine?

How did you find them?

Mike Norris found them while I had him on the phone. I didn't write them down though.

Originally Posted by Scott@Bjorn3D

Yeah I would not go to crazy with boost on only 91 and knowing he travels out of his area for Camaro Fest, you never know what you will get for gas. That was the biggest pain in my ass when I had #230, had to always try to find 93 octane or she knocked bad.

10 pounds on forged pistons and a 419 should do the trick.

[Jayrcr3]

If it's really that important, you can call comp and they can give you the cam specs based on the grind numbers. I lost my cam card, and they emailed me a new one.

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[Chris@Livernois]

Yes we would make sure you get the correct size pushrods for your application! 419" would make some awesome power numbers with the blower! -Chris

[SSDan]

Originally Posted by PQ

That's the specs on mine?

How did you find them?

My guess is he looked up the grind numbers on the end of your cam as shown in your picture. The numbers 13016R & 13017R are the grind numbers that correspond with your cam specs.

[PQ]

Originally Posted by Chris@Livernois

Yes we would make sure you get the correct size pushrods for your application! 419" would make some awesome power numbers with the blower! -Chris

So a new cam, lifters, shortblock with 419 cubes (forged pistons and rods) Ls crank, and that's all I need?

Or do I need a new timing chain and valve springs?

I guess new valves and a head cleaning too.

Originally Posted by Jayrcr3

If it's really that important, you can call comp and they can give you the cam specs based on the grind numbers. I lost my cam card, and they emailed me a new one.

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I'll just have Livernois do my cam. Nice mild blower cam already specd out for assembly.

Originally Posted by SSDan

My guess is he looked up the grind numbers on the end of your cam as shown in your picture. The numbers 13016R & 13017R are the grind numbers that correspond with your cam specs.

Ok. Ya, I have no idea what all that stuff means. haha

[mikeSS]

you had 90k miles on that engine, glad to see you enjoyed it!