How did Ford get 400hp+

[oldlugs]

Originally Posted by motorhead

Man this thread is full of fail from both sides. My head hurts.

..take two advil.

[NoDak Scotty]

I had the same Q as the OP; as I recall, the basic answer was the 5-OH comes pretty tricked out from the factory, with headers, hi-flow heads, optimum flow air filter, etc. Good for FoMoCo, they are squeezing all they can get outa smaller motor. But now the only thing Ford or the buyer can do is add a Supercharger or tweak the computer.
The L99/LS3 are pushing more HP with straight manifold, off-the shelf (Vette) heads, filter, etc. So imagine when you slap on long tube headers, K&N filter, etc. You're adding 40-50 HP with about $1500 in mods.
And Camaro still has a Z-28 lurking...

[Unfair]

Originally Posted by NoDak Scotty

I had the same Q as the OP; as I recall, the basic answer was the 5-OH comes pretty tricked out from the factory, with headers, hi-flow heads, optimum flow air filter, etc. Good for FoMoCo, they are squeezing all they can get outa smaller motor. But now the only thing Ford or the buyer can do is add a Supercharger or tweak the computer.
The L99/LS3 are pushing more HP with straight manifold, off-the shelf (Vette) heads, filter, etc. So imagine when you slap on long tube headers, K&N filter, etc. You're adding 40-50 HP with about $1500 in mods.
And Camaro still has a Z-28 lurking...

The statement that says the 5.0 is maxxed out from the factory which many said, turned out to be false.

[Sax1031]

Originally Posted by NoDak Scotty

I had the same Q as the OP; as I recall, the basic answer was the 5-OH comes pretty tricked out from the factory, with headers, hi-flow heads, optimum flow air filter, etc. Good for FoMoCo, they are squeezing all they can get outa smaller motor. But now the only thing Ford or the buyer can do is add a Supercharger or tweak the computer.
The L99/LS3 are pushing more HP with straight manifold, off-the shelf (Vette) heads, filter, etc. So imagine when you slap on long tube headers, K&N filter, etc. You're adding 40-50 HP with about $1500 in mods.
And Camaro still has a Z-28 lurking...

They gained 34rwhp on a new 5.0 by adding a x pipe, catback exhaust, k&n drop in air filter and some tuning.

So no the 5.0 is not maxxed from Ford.

[Georgie]

camaro is awesome

[brandotron]

GM was just too liberal with their cubes...

[Stew]

From what is out there already, i really think alot of guys are really going to be surprised at what the NA 5.0 is going to be capable of and the effects mods will actually have, also going by the weights C&D got for both cars (3580 Mustang, around 3887 for the Camaro) There is a 300+ pound difference there so the Mustang is going to need less HP to run similar times.

[Sax1031]

Originally Posted by HIGHOCTANE

I'm not saying the 5.0 doesn't have mod potential but that ONE example from a vendor/shop whose credibility has been questioned within the Mustang community doesn't prove anything really.
THe way they did that whole thing even has many die hard Mustang fans questionng the results...so alot of the "ignoring" of that ONE example is not without reason.
And I am not hating on Evolution...the 2003 Cobra in my sig was tuned on their Dyno...
Not sure if the same guy is doing their tuning now...but at that time he was not an Evolution employee..so I had no real dealing with Evolution other than meeting the guys,and they all seemed very cool and you could tell they had a love for cars and making big power. I am curious though who is doing the "ground breaking" tuning on the 5.0 for Evolution...if it is who I think it might be...he'd be the man who could figure it out. I've been away from the stuff for awhile,but I am pretty sure Evolution uses and outside tuner...although I don't think he has ever gotten credit for it...or maybe it is that he doesn't want to be associated with EVO? I never asked him...was none of my business.
So long story short...we'll have to wait and see what real end user results come out in the wash before we can accurately say how well it responds to bolt on mods...vendors and product manufactures claimed gains are at the bottom of my believability list.(sorry vendors)
I don't have any 3v experience but I sure hope it reponds better than the 2v 4.6 that was in my 03 GT...I'm sure people will figure out how to tap more power...it will just be a matter of how much power and how expensive it will be.

I will just like to put this out there:

Turns out what he really had in mind was the debut of his new SMS 302, which—you guessed it—is based on the new 2011 Mustang GT with its new 302-cubic-inch (5.0-liter) engine. The SMS 302 remains naturally aspirated but produces “over 440 hp and 400 lb-ft of torque”—improvements of 28 hp and 10 lb-ft—thanks to a new head design, a high-flow exhaust system, an optimized accessory-drive system, and reworked engine calibration. Zero to 60 mph is expected to take just 4.5 seconds with the quarter-mile passing in 13.5 seconds at 116 mph.

http://www.caranddriver.com/news/car...302sc-car_news

Other than the, "optimized accessory-drive system", the Evolution Performance Car and the Saleen have about the same mods.


I am like you though I want to see these gains repeatable by other people.

[big hammer]

Originally Posted by Sax1031

I will just like to put this out there:



http://www.caranddriver.com/news/car...302sc-car_news

Other than the, "optimized accessory-drive system", the Evolution Performance Car and the Saleen have about the same mods.


I am like you though I want to see these gains repeatable by other people.

that is wayyyy out to lunch. i dont think it is actually 302 cubes.

[ROD1]

Originally Posted by Barton Industries

You could look at it that way...OR... It took Ford another cam and more valves just to get close I love them both, Im a car guy, and I hope they are all around for many more years to come. Friday Nights at the track are going to be a blast this summer

Invite me sometime. Ide be glad to help however I can! I want to do it when I get a sc and Ide like to see how it all works.

[assasinator]

hey fellas.....you are forgetting a 6.2 liter ohc motor ford has... it has all the power AND torque of an ls-3 and its only a pickup truck motor. you guys are gonna crap if a 7 liter version finds its way into a stang with 500hp. not sayin its gonna happen, but it can.

A limited edition version of the Raptor from Ford Racing called the Raptor XT will feature a high output version of the 6.2 L V8 with approximately 500 horsepower (370 kW)

411 hp (306 kW) @ 5500 rpm, 434 lb·ft (588 N·m) @ 4500 rpm is the standard raptor 6.2 liter.

385 hp (287 kW) @ 5500 rpm, 405 lb·ft (549 N·m) @ 4500 rpm

dont forget those numbers fellas.


the mustang was given the coyote to compete with the ls3, but there is another motor that can easily kill the LS-3.

[assasinator]

Originally Posted by ROD1

Invite me sometime. Ide be glad to help however I can! I want to do it when I get a sc and Ide like to see how it all works.

when you v6 guys start twin turbos on those v6's, a lot of cars are going to lose badly. the first thing id do is fab up a turbo for it.

a fully modded DI ...heads, cams, everything. with a turbo or two.

[big hammer]

Originally Posted by assasinator

hey fellas.....you are forgetting a 6.2 liter ohc motor ford has... it has all the power AND torque of an ls-3 and its only a pickup truck motor. you guys are gonna crap if a 7 liter version finds its way into a stang with 500hp. not sayin its gonna happen, but it can.

A limited edition version of the Raptor from Ford Racing called the Raptor XT will feature a high output version of the 6.2 L V8 with approximately 500 horsepower (370 kW)

411 hp (306 kW) @ 5500 rpm, 434 lb·ft (588 N·m) @ 4500 rpm is the standard raptor 6.2 liter.

385 hp (287 kW) @ 5500 rpm, 405 lb·ft (549 N·m) @ 4500 rpm

dont forget those numbers fellas.


the mustang was given the coyote to compete with the ls3, but there is another motor that can easily kill the LS-3.

and GM already has a pile of engines to compete with those. the ls7 has been out for years and is 505 hp. lsa is 556, ls9 is 638. the ls3 also has more power in the vette than the camaro. it can easily put out more hp from the factory.

either ford or gm could make an n\a pony car with 500 hp. but their thinking is "why?"

they're both already faster than anything in their price range. for for the time being 426hp and 412 hp is enough.

[bigearl]

Does a 'reworked accessory drive system' and 'a new head design' count as bolt-ons?

I guess I always thought of bolt-ons as CAI, Headers and exhaust changes, and a tune? As soon as you start reworking heads then it seems that you've moved into open season for engine mods.

I just think this is all premature. I guess I shouldn't be bumping it, but it seems like it should get locked until September and then reopened after you see some actual owners putting up before and after dynos. If you want to speculate for fun that's cool I guess, as long as you realize you're just speculating really.