10-20-2015, 12:47 PM | #29 |
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Naaa....nobody's opinion means less than that.
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10-20-2015, 04:12 PM | #30 |
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Lemme get this straight - goes like stink, has one of the great V-8's left on the face of the Earth with enough noise to piss off the neighbors properly, a real honest-to-Gawd manual transmission with rev match to compensate for my pathetic lack of heel and toe expertise along with Brembos, great seats, latest gen mag shocks and is all built upon the alpha platform which has been universally lauded for it's stiffness and light weight.
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10-21-2015, 06:37 AM | #31 | |
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Those TG Brits never appreciated US sport cars like the Corvettes, Vipers, CTS-V, etc. that many times even at Nurburgring showed that they could beat the crap out of many exotic Euro & Japan exports that cost twice. I used to drive a Porsche 911, but always recognized Corvette C6's to be a very strong match. I also have a deep respect for the performance of the late 1LE, Z28, Zl1 & also for the new 6th. gen Camaro SS, just have doubts over the longevity of the new powertrains LT1, LT4 & A8 transmission compared to the late GM 's powertrains that were strong like armored tanks without any complains from their owners. |
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10-21-2015, 06:49 AM | #32 | |
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I'm curious to see what happens from here with all manufacturers, now that everyone is moving to direct injection. Is everyone going to move to a combo of direct and port injection? Do they figure out how to hit power and efficiency targets without direct injection altogether? |
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10-21-2015, 07:54 AM | #34 | |
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The design of the 8L90 may very well be inadequate for cooling, but as long as GM comes up with a solution (which it appears they have), then I'm not worried about it. My luck with GM (and cars in general) has been very good. My dad had a 94 Buick that had over 300,000 miles before it went to the scrap heap. My mom had a 79 Impala that's still on the road today. I had a Cobalt with one of the "deadly ignition switches." I drove that car for 7 years without a single issue. It was obvious that the ignition switched positions easier than any car I've ever driven. The solution was simple, I only put two keys (car and house) on my key ring. My experience so far is that all cars have minor issues, but they all last a while if maintained properly. I just prefer to stick with the brands that have fewer things that are deemed maintenance. |
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10-21-2015, 07:55 AM | #35 |
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It absolutely is. The 8L90 is a very tough transmission but in regards to cooling it's not designed well. The ZF 8 speeds found in the 2015 Dodge cars, BMW's and Mercs are equally as tough and capable yet do not suffer from similar and well published overheating and safety nanny issues. I'm not saying the 8L90 is a bad transmission..it's actually quite good in most areas, but to say that "poor cooling is not a sign of a bad transmission" is completely breaking the bounds of credulity. |
10-21-2015, 07:56 AM | #36 | |
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10-21-2015, 08:01 AM | #37 | |
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10-21-2015, 08:17 AM | #38 | |
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I have never had a paddle shift car to compare it to, however, I did enjoy the experience of the paddle shift and I will be trying one out before I make my final purchase in March for the camaro. |
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10-21-2015, 08:19 AM | #39 | |
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It's because it has a small, fast spinning torque converter and the case is very small, reducing it's ability to radiate heat away from the guts of the transmission. It's a good transmission that was designed poorly when it comes to thermal load and cooling..in part due to package requirements for the C7, ATS and other Alpha platforms. Heat seems to be a common issue with the latest generation GM cars. |
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10-21-2015, 08:30 AM | #40 | |
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10-21-2015, 08:36 AM | #41 | |
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If all it takes is a little extra cooling, or air direction to cool it, then it's not really a "bad transmission", but a badly cooled transmission. --kC |
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10-21-2015, 08:42 AM | #42 | |
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