[MrChrisLS3]

Originally Posted by Co2SS

And since not one person could give me any cohesive argument that damage to my engine may occur while re-fueling with the enigine on I will continue to be a "superhero" who is "trying to prove something", and refuel with my engine on. And yes if a Camaro SS blows up while refueling it will be my dumb ass on the news. And if anybody who is "white&nerdy" would like me to make a video of the amount of time it takes a cold-soaked LT1 to get to 160-170 on the oil temperature I will be happy to......since I have an LT1 with 11,000 miles on it and he will have one, someday. I might have a bit more insight into the amount of time the 20F oil takes to get to 160-170F since I actually drive the car daily and you dream about driving one "soon."

We are told to turn our engine off for safety reasons. The thought being that a running car has a greater chance of building and transferring static electricity at the filler tube. There have been a few stories of this kind of thing happening, though not in some time. However, if it has happened, or if it can happen, then there is going to be warning sign about it. It's a legal liability issue. The odds of a modern car blowing up at the pump is probably extremely slim. In other words, not a subject worthy of 5 pages of discussion, but I'll try to make it 6.

But, what do I know? I'm currently driving the obsolete LS3, I'm sure the science is completely different, lol. I did grow up in the mid west and know full well that wonderful joy of getting gas first thing in single digit temps, oh what fun! Cop wants to give me ticket for idling my car? Go ahead, but he'll have to get out of his to write it.

[BlackbeastSS2]

I have not read the intire thread. But read Posting members original post.

First, the gas stations post no fueling with car running. That' is not only common sense but if you fuel your car while running your endangering other people's lives. I almost think you started the post for a joke or just to see the response to you question that is borderline lacking the correct amount. of brain cells to operate a vehicle. Stop sniffling gas.

[ChevyRules]

I'm all for people making their own decisons and willing to take consequences for them. Why we have the Darwin Award. But once those decisions put others lives in danger, that is when things cross the line.

Remember that decision to risk your car blowing up isn't only going to cost you your life, but risks others people's lives at the gas station.

[MMC]

I think some of you should know the facts from the National Fire Protection Association.

http://www.nfpa.org/public-education...station-safety

http://www.nfpa.org/public-education...on-safety-tips

http://www.api.org/oil-and-natural-g...ying-safe-pump

[SuperSound]

Originally Posted by MMC

I think some of you should know the facts from the National Fire Protection Association.

http://www.nfpa.org/public-education...station-safety

http://www.nfpa.org/public-education...on-safety-tips

http://www.api.org/oil-and-natural-g...ying-safe-pump

Those are completely useless statistics since they include ANY fire at a service station, not ones directly or even indirectly caused by fueling with a running engine.

Just from a personal injury standpoint, the odds are ludacris.

"However, according to the NACS, Americans refuel between 16 and 18 BILLION times per year. And 48 people, on average, are injured because of gas station fires per year. That's a 1:375,000,000 chance. Here are the chances of some other things happening:"

- Being hit by meteorite - 1:700,000
- Dying in plane crash - 1:5,300,000
- Becoming a saint - 1:20,000,000
- Winning the lottery - 1:259,000,000

Personally I still always shut off because
A) I'm not going to try cold crank a car first thing in the morning then drive 2 mins to fuel up, why not fuel up on the way home the previous night?
B) You waste more fuel leaving a car running than shutting it off and back on with today's modern fuel injection.

[Frank237]

I almost always left patrol cars running while filling. So that I could hear any calls on my radio. The last several cars were injected...never an issue noted.

I also wondered why we have the CAPLESS fill receptacle? Not a fan without a secure gas flap panel. Too easy for someone to tap the panel, then dump something down the filler.

[Co2SS]

Originally Posted by Frank237

I almost always left patrol cars running while filling. So that I could hear any calls on my radio. The last several cars were injected...never an issue noted.

I also wondered why we have the CAPLESS fill receptacle? Not a fan without a secure gas flap panel. Too easy for someone to tap the panel, then dump something down the filler.

Thank you officer for you service and voice of reason. Truth be told I picked up the re-fueling with the enigine on thing when I was first driving and constantly noticing law-enforcement in Dallas where I grew up doing that exact thing. I figured if it is "reasonably safe" for a Crown Vic or Caprice or Explorer to fill while running it is for my car too. And to this very minute I still figure the same thing.

[BlackbeastSS2]

Well watch this video and notice the officers comments at the end.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=C3h39q-7-IY

[ron scubadiver]

Originally Posted by 00 Trans Ram

However, according to the NACS, Americans refuel between 16 and 18 BILLION times per year. And 48 people, on average, are injured because of gas station fires per year. That's a 1:375,000,000 chance. Here are the chances of some other things happening:

- Being hit by meteorite - 1:700,000
- Dying in plane crash - 1:5,300,000
- Becoming a saint - 1:20,000,000
- Winning the lottery - 1:259,000,000

I mean, do what you want - but realize that, statistically speaking, there is no greater danger from leaving a car running.

The problem with your math is you don't know how many of those 48 injuries were caused by people fueling while their engine was running. You must be really convinced of your invulnerability to take this risk with your kids in the car.

Your standing by the door is not a theft deterrent unless you have a piece on you.

That plane crash statistic is bunk because it includes people who never fly as the total population. For people who fly 100,000 miles per year, it is a lot higher. If they fly their own plane it's so high that it is difficult to get life insurance.

[Michigan1LTRS]

It was caused by getting in and out of the car and static electricity. Not from the car running. Just saying.

[SuperSound]

Originally Posted by ron scubadiver

The problem with your math is you don't know how many of those 48 injuries were caused by people fueling while their engine was running. You must be really convinced of your invulnerability to take this risk with your kids in the car.

Your standing by the door is not a theft deterrent unless you have a piece on you.

That is exactly the problem, there is no actual evidence statistically to say X injuries/damage was caused by the engine running during refueling. So if the general number of injuries by fire at a gas station is 48 a year, smoking cigarettes, spilling fuel on the ground, causing a spark by dropping a metal object, a lightning strike, or some redneck grilling steaks in the back of his pickup truck while filling up could all be responsible for those numbers.
That's how useless the numbers are without context. I mean your car spontaneously catching fire while driving probably causes more injuries per year.

And personally I don't do it, but not because of fire risks. Look up the term "hot pit" refuelling by the air forces of the world. Jet fuel is far more flammable than gasoline. If they feel it's safe enough to do with a million dollar aircraft and lots people around, you should not worry about the risk at a local gas station.

[00 Trans Ram]

I still find it somewhat humorous that a bunch of guys who drive 400+hp cars (and probably use that power at least sometimes on the road) are debating "safety". I'm far more likely to cause a wreck by speeding 5mph over or forgetting to use a blinker.

[craigss50]

Originally Posted by Michigan1LTRS

It was caused by getting in and out of the car and static electricity. Not from the car running. Just saying.

or smoking

[Richie Carbone]

To the OP. Can you please add me as a beneficiary on your life insurance policy if you have one?

Thanks.