[HDRDTD]

OK, here's a stupid question from an old fart with bad eyes, Why do they say the Camaro in the pictures is a ZL1 1LE ?

It's missing the tall wing at the rear of course, but I also don't see the front dive planes (canards) that the 1LE comes with.

With both items missing (at least to my eyes), what makes it a 1LE ZL1 ???

[Ricco]

Originally Posted by Mr. Wyndham

2015 Z06/Z07 (with CCM brakes), at 3533lbs, stopped from 60-0 in....91 feet!!!

While I'm not refuting that these are valid comparisons, there are additional factors that can go into these stopping distances. The Tires being a primary factor, heat and heat retention being others. CCB were designed for racing where they are subject to sustained and prolonged periods of heavy braking that may not necessarily be possible with iron brakes.

Bottom line, more factors to consider when selecting your brake materials than just a single stopping distance test.

Just food for thought.

[Ricco]

Originally Posted by HDRDTD

OK, here's a stupid question from an old fart with bad eyes, Why do they say the Camaro in the pictures is a ZL1 1LE ?

It's missing the tall wing at the rear of course, but I also don't see the front dive planes (canards) that the 1LE comes with.

With both items missing (at least to my eyes), what makes it a 1LE ZL1 ???

I think there are additional pictures where you can see the front splitter and canards more clearly.

I think the car is also running the 19" 1LE wheels and 1LE brake Caliper and similar rotor size.

+ 1LE Tail lights.

[phobos512]

Originally Posted by HDRDTD

OK, here's a stupid question from an old fart with bad eyes, Why do they say the Camaro in the pictures is a ZL1 1LE ?

It's missing the tall wing at the rear of course, but I also don't see the front dive planes (canards) that the 1LE comes with.

With both items missing (at least to my eyes), what makes it a 1LE ZL1 ???

Turn up the brightness on your monitor, or edit the pic to increase the brightness/contrast. I can see the diveplanes clear as day on my monitor. And as Ricco said, it's got the smoked tails.

[DevilsReject97]

Originally Posted by phobos512

Turn up the brightness on your monitor, or edit the pic to increase the brightness/contrast. I can see the diveplanes clear as day on my monitor. And as Ricco said, it's got the smoked tails.

It has all of the items that make it a 1LE except for the wing. Additionally, it is missing the blacked out 3rd brake light.

I am simply going to say that this was probably just a test mule car and nothing more than that. The only way a Z/28 comes out in this generation is if its something that just destroys the ZL1 1LE in terms of performance. I just don't see GM wasting time building it.

Otherwise, you're going to get a car that's just a bit more than a SS 1LE with some better parts...

[Mountain]

Originally Posted by URBAN LEGEND

Hmm. Yet Vettes can have them... GM better put these damn brakes on this 🚘.

Why? In all seriousness, why?

[FringBirdAloha]

Originally Posted by DevilsReject97

It has all of the items that make it a 1LE except for the wing. Additionally, it is missing the blacked out 3rd brake light.

I am simply going to say that this was probably just a test mule car and nothing more than that. The only way a Z/28 comes out in this generation is if its something that just destroys the ZL1 1LE in terms of performance. I just don't see GM wasting time building it.

Otherwise, you're going to get a car that's just a bit more than a SS 1LE with some better parts...

105 more horses would destroy a ZL1 1LE.

[URBAN LEGEND]

Originally Posted by Mountain

Why? In all seriousness, why?

They’ll last longer on the street, I like the initial brake bite, less dust, lighter, It’s a part they already have, and I like the looks.

[ZL1 1LE]

Originally Posted by Mr. Wyndham

I'm real curious...a little Devil's Advocate work, here:

- Few, if any racing series allow CCM disks.

- Most racers (esp. Porsche) ditch their Carbon brakes for iron replacements for track days due to wear and price.

- They cost a ridiculous amount of money to replace...and they're brittle while servicing.

- Different compound, more aggressive racing pads are more readily available for iron brakes.

- The '14 Z/28 (with CCM brakes), at 3858 lbs, stopped from 60-0mph in 97 ft.

- The '18 ZL1 1LE (with same-sized iron brakes), at 3837, stopped from 60-0mph in 91 ft.

GM/Al have said they didn't see a benefit to using the CCM brakes in either fade resistance or braking distances, so they couldn't justify the cost in utilizing them on the car.

So why do we consider these brakes worth anything other than a party piece?

Weight savings but, at what price?

[camaro5]

Originally Posted by FringBirdAloha

If it is a Z28, it’s not going to be naturally aspirated. There’s no doubt there are mules running around with LT5’s in them. But develop a new DOHC NA for the Camaro?... nope. Plus any release of an LT5 based Camaro would be at least a year after the ZR1. But we can be sure it’s in the plans.

I think there may have been some fallout over not offering CC brakes and they may be implementing a brakes package.

Originally Posted by Mountain

It would make sense to create a Z/28, mainly based on the fact of a 5.5L coming. Why? The Cadillac DPi’s just switched to a 5.5L (hmmm...). The next Corvette will have a 5.5L (hmm...). The GTLM/GTE Corvettes run 5.5L’s (#muchdata #proven). With that, it makes sense to homologate to the GT4 Camaro, which opens up a business case for the option to create a Z/28 road car. Right now, the GT4 engine is a GM Performance/GM Racing frankenstein. Cost, complexity, durability and marketing wise, it’s a better move to go with the Corvette C8 5.5L.

Take a ZL1 1LE, remove the LT4 and shove in a 5.5L DOHC, or even HOHV, you reduce weight. Remove the rear seats, strip down the creature comforts...

With a 5.5L, you get a more stabil engine for high RPM. You can still get the power performance needed through a shift in the RPM band. Also, a 5.0+L V8 is still large enough to get good mid-range torque. A 5.5L also helps in pro racing because a 5.5L restricted is more efficient and stabil than a 6.2L (BOP - heat management/combustion efficiency) and fuel economy is better. So, a 5.5L also makes sense for the race cars.

The LT6 5.5L DOHC 32 valve is the base 2020 Corvette motor

LT7 is the twin turbo version - Z06

The engines are already a done deal.

Say goodbye to 6.2L and hello to 5.5L DOHC.

Obviously this will all come to the Camaro as it always does.

Will they put the 5.5L in a Z28? Time will tell.

Gen.7 Camaro (Late 2021 release as a 2022) will definitely get the 5.5L DOHC V8's.

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[FringBirdAloha]

Originally Posted by camaro5

The LT6 5.5L DOHC 32 valve is the base 2020 Corvette motor

LT7 is the twin turbo version - Z06

The engines are already a done deal.

Say goodbye to 6.2L and hello to 5.5L DOHC.

Obviously this will all come to the Camaro as it always does.

Will they put the 5.5L in a Z28? Time will tell.

Gen.7 Camaro (Late 2021 release as a 2022) will definitely get the 5.5L DOHC V8's.

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This is Camaro6 not Camaro7. The 2020 whatever they call it isn’t getting a DOHC. The most likely candidate is the LT5. End of story.

[hashtag]

Originally Posted by Mountain

It would make sense to create a Z/28, mainly based on the fact of a 5.5L coming. Why? The Cadillac DPi’s just switched to a 5.5L (hmmm...). The next Corvette will have a 5.5L (hmm...). The GTLM/GTE Corvettes run 5.5L’s (#muchdata #proven). With that, it makes sense to homologate to the GT4 Camaro, which opens up a business case for the option to create a Z/28 road car. Right now, the GT4 engine is a GM Performance/GM Racing frankenstein. Cost, complexity, durability and marketing wise, it’s a better move to go with the Corvette C8 5.5L.

Take a ZL1 1LE, remove the LT4 and shove in a 5.5L DOHC, or even HOHV, you reduce weight. Remove the rear seats, strip down the creature comforts...

With a 5.5L, you get a more stabil engine for high RPM. You can still get the power performance needed through a shift in the RPM band. Also, a 5.0+L V8 is still large enough to get good mid-range torque. A 5.5L also helps in pro racing because a 5.5L restricted is more efficient and stabil than a 6.2L (BOP - heat management/combustion efficiency) and fuel economy is better. So, a 5.5L also makes sense for the race cars.

That power plant in my opinion would not outpower the LT4. Track times better than the ZL1 1LE? They have their work cut out for them

[hashtag]

Originally Posted by URBAN LEGEND

They’ll last longer on the street, I like the initial brake bite, less dust, lighter, It’s a part they already have, and I like the looks.

Probably a $7K brake option on the 2019 model year.

[Chub2000]

Originally Posted by Mr. Wyndham

I'm real curious...a little Devil's Advocate work, here:

- Few, if any racing series allow CCM disks.

- Most racers (esp. Porsche) ditch their Carbon brakes for iron replacements for track days due to wear and price.

- They cost a ridiculous amount of money to replace...and they're brittle while servicing.

- Different compound, more aggressive racing pads are more readily available for iron brakes.

- The '14 Z/28 (with CCM brakes), at 3858 lbs, stopped from 60-0mph in 97 ft.

- The '18 ZL1 1LE (with same-sized iron brakes), at 3837, stopped from 60-0mph in 91 ft.

GM/Al have said they didn't see a benefit to using the CCM brakes in either fade resistance or braking distances, so they couldn't justify the cost in utilizing them on the car.

So why do we consider these brakes worth anything other than a party piece?

I totally agree. I pulled my ceramics off of my GT3. A replacement set from Porsche costs $22,000...