article: Why the New Camaro Will Fail

[boxmonkeyracing]

Originally Posted by longfreaknhair

WOW, what a bunch of pussies. Im all for brand loyality but you guys are all a little to over the top. GM for the most part sucks. Its not my business and I certainly didnt do this to the GM product.
I never came here to harp on GM and Im sorry if thats how it appears. I can see why it would look like I did. I did however, mean what I said above(meaning in this reply). You all want to attack me thats fine. I have no prob with that. At least now I have knowingly giving you a reason to do it.

attack? wow if you think that was an attack. . .and calling me a cat won't get you anywhere. and what are you talking about bad business. who's changed hands (owners) in the last decade, and how many times? lol. better products. now I haven't once dogged dodge just asked you to keep yourself and your rhetoric in check. no one on here cares/wants to hear how bad gm is. we are here to discuss the camaro.

I'm sorry your cars sucked, but it might not be the maker of the car it might be the owner and how he takes care of his car. think on that.

[pruettfan]

The GTO died because it was decided before they started that it would only run from 2004-2006. The Camaro is a long term project and the V6 is likely to be its strongest point in the long run.

[Robert91RS]

OH GOD ....that was your first post and impression on this forum.....these guys are going to eat you alive!

Oh god....here we go....

You shut your mouth ! lol

Kevin, by the time I stopped laughing from your first post I read your next ones. LMFAO! Classic man classic.

Oh and Ive been wanting to use this one:troll:

[FenwickHockey65]

Originally Posted by longfreaknhair

My Firebirdbird had 49533 miles when I traded it in. Thats right, under 50,000 miles. The final straw was when the fuel pump went up this June. $1200 to repair it had I decided to. I paid cash for the car in 04 so I was not the original owner and it had 28,000 on it when I bought it. I put 21,000 on it in 4 yrs. Mayabe you are the one who got lucky. I have 3 friend who had a Grand Prix and all say they would never again buy one.

I really didnt come here to start shit. Not who I am. Cars are not cheap and I am entitled to think as I do based on my experiences. Thats why I am here as I said before. I could be closed mind about all GM products based on my past(s) experience. I wanted more info. No need in being so defensive.

We have owned more than enough GM products in the past to know that GM builds the longest lasting, most dependable cars and trucks on the road. Our '89 Safari SLT is still running after over 300,000 miles after we sold it in 2003 at 293,000 miles. My dad's '93 SW2 lasted 243,000 miles before it blew a headgasket.
Regarding the Firebird, for all you know, the original owner may have thrashed it all over the road. If you bought it brand new and it had that many problems before 50k miles, then you'd have something to complain about.

People need to realize that GM's not the same company that it was in the 80s and 90s. We build the best cars and trucks on the market. We've already won tons of awards and accolades from various organizations and publications since 2007. Some of the cars in GM's lineup are so popular that GM can't keep up with production. I think it's about time people sit up and take notice of the new GM. It's no longer the same company that churned out rebadge after rebadge. The days of bad quality are over. Our quality standards have improved greatly over the past few years, with cars like the Malibu being ranked first in initial quality by JD Power and Associates.

[Robert91RS]

Chevy Power!

[FenwickHockey65]

Originally Posted by longfreaknhair

WOW, what a bunch of pussies. Im all for brand loyality but you guys are all a little to over the top. GM for the most part sucks. Its not my business and I certainly didnt do this to the GM product.
I never came here to harp on GM and Im sorry if thats how it appears. I can see why it would look like I did. I did however, mean what I said above(meaning in this reply). You all want to attack me thats fine. I have no prob with that. At least now I have knowingly giving you a reason to do it.

Yeah. Because these cars suck.























I don't see Chrysler making ANYTHING as good as these cars.

[GTAHVIT]

Ah hell,

This one got away before I could get here.


Well, it doesn't make much sense, to try and contain it now. So everyone please let this die. We're now watching this thread closely, I will say that for the most part everyone kept this clean.

FreakingLongHair. All I'd ask is that you change your tone. Not being a fan of GM or the Camaro is not grounds for being banned from this site.

However, name calling is. Personally, I don't want you to go.... Kevin2323 needs all the friends he can get.

So, start over, please and all will be well.

[kevin2323]

Originally Posted by gtahvit

Ah hell,

This one got away before I could get here.


Well, it doesn't make much sense, to try and contain it now. So everyone please let this die. We're now watching this thread closely, I will say that for the most part everyone kept this clean.

FreakingLongHair. All I'd ask is that you change your tone. Not being a fan of GM or the Camaro is not grounds for being banned from this site.

However, name calling is. Personally, I don't want you to go.... Kevin2323 needs all the friends he can get.

So, start over, please and all will be well.

Man what is it with you guys and me needing friends.... cmon man you all are getting me teary eyed at how much you guys care........ LOL

All this guy is doing is making you guys bring out all the negative in chrysler and I dont want to be associated with that. I like to look at the brightside to all Cars and discuss the negatives to a certain extent hahaha.

[kevin2323]

Originally Posted by Robert91RS

Kevin, by the time I stopped laughing from your first post I read your next ones. LMFAO! Classic man classic.

Oh and Ive been wanting to use this one:troll:

LOL I am glad I could come in as some comic relief and not look like a troll .

[stovt001]

Originally Posted by longfreaknhair

I am not concerned with racing the car. Better product as far as longevity. My Firebird (another GM product) is the biggest piece of shit I have ever owned. I am a family man who no longer wants the tickets that come with more horse power. I want style that marries practicality. I had a 03 Mustang MACH 1 and a 07 Mustang GT convert. I sold them both because as a family man I know if I have the horse power I will use it. Tickets and higher ins will eat into my families needs.
My Charger is the 3.5 6cyl. I wanted the hemi but knew better. I got a little pep but remained responsible. You here Im sure will chew me up for that but in the end I got what I wanted/liked and and still thought of my family without buying a minivan.
I really didnt come here to start crap. I came here to see what others are saying about the Camaro.

Dodge is superior on longevity?

I'm definitely pulling for the domestic brands, believe me, but Chrysler is just not getting it right. They're the only one of the big three to not improve quality or reliability. Yes that was basically the Germans who did that to them and Cerberus has not proved its abilities yet (though does anyone really expect a private equity flip machine to actually care?) but your Charger was built on the Mercedes E Class platform during the bad German days so...

Don't believe me?

http://blogs.edmunds.com/roadtests/V...andCaravanSXT/

Edit: Fenwick: great list, but since you included some future cars in there you gotta throw in the Invicta. Now that is one heckuva car.

[kevin2323]

Originally Posted by stovt001

Dodge is superior on longevity?

I'm definitely pulling for the domestic brands, believe me, but Chrysler is just not getting it right. They're the only one of the big three to not improve quality or reliability. Yes that was basically the Germans who did that to them and Cerberus has not proved its abilities yet (though does anyone really expect a private equity flip machine to actually care?) but your Charger was built on the Mercedes E Class platform during the bad German days so...

Don't believe me?

http://blogs.edmunds.com/roadtests/V...andCaravanSXT/

Yep that is one of the reasons we dont have better 1/4 and 0-60 times although the srt8 does have a good time it could be better. because they used a 5 speed mercedes transmission.

[Eisenhower]

Originally Posted by deichevy

It won't fail.
#1 where did u come up with 15 MPG get a grip.

#2 My employees will build the Motors (except the 427).

# 3 Camaro people don't buy Mustangs.

# 4 young people have money (your right it's not 1967).

#5 Imports are overated.

#6 Dale Jr will help market it

This guy was right on over two years ago... haven't heard from 'em since

[JEFF2010SSMANUAL]

Negative BS.

[The_Blur]

Chrysler is definitely not dominant in the area of longevity. Look at the old cars on the street. You'll see a lot of GM and Ford classics. I tend toward the GM cars, like the Beretta, Cutlass, STS, Cavalier, Z71s, Camaros, Corvettes, and many others; however, you can bank on seeing a load of Fords, including the Escort, Mustang, and Taurus. Among the classics, I've seen my share of Mustangs, Corvettes, and Camaros, but I have yet to see a classic Challenger, Viper, or Charger in the flesh outside of a show. I've even seen an old Buick Apollo made to seriously drag race down the street from where I work.

The evidence about longevity is all on the streets. I think Chrysler makes beautiful machines with a lot of phenomenal features, including Boston Acoustics sound systems, sporty trims for a lot of models, and, of course, the legendary Hemi V8. At the same time as I appreciate a lot of Chrysler products, I can't honestly say that I'd want an old one based on a combination of consumer reviews, personal preference, and what is still driving around after a long time. There's just not enough evidence to support that a well-treated Chrysler car will last as long as a GM or Ford.