Electric Vehicles

[jamala00]

Originally Posted by The Zebra

This is one example of many, many reasons this EV thing is not ready to be rolled out yet so aggressively. EV technology needs to evolve with as little government involvement as possible and not be pushed out the door before it's ready. We should let the private sector continue to develop the technology until it's realistically feasible to implement it on a large scale.

Originally Posted by Windycity

I’m assuming we should stop government involvement with oil company subsidies as well?

After 150 years of oil exploration, the taxpayers are still continuing to assist oil companies as well

Wow... Nothing like completely taking someone's post out of context and not even quoting the entice sentence that you tried to quote. Looks like you got some good old MSM news reporting going on there. Take a small piece out and quote it, then twist it to fit your narrative.

[FarmerFran]

Switch gears... Why is the Polestar 2 so expensive? Why is it that car prices are so close?

You would think China would undercut the competition.

[The Zebra]

At present in the USA, over 60% of electricity is generated from fossil fuels (worldwide it’s over 80%). That number will increase dramatically if ICE vehicles are replaced by electric vehicles, as nearly all of the increase in electrical demand will be filled by fossil fuels.

Manufacturing EV’s creates more pollution per vehicle than manufacturing ICE vehicles. EV battery mineral mining, battery production and battery disposal are all enormous polluters. EV’s are much heavier and wear out tires faster

and, and, and...

EV technology is not ready for mass introduction.

[Martinjlm]

Originally Posted by The Zebra

At present in the USA, over 60% of electricity is generated from fossil fuels (worldwide it’s over 80%). That number will increase dramatically if ICE vehicles are replaced by electric vehicles, as nearly all of the increase in electrical demand will be filled by fossil fuels.

Manufacturing EV’s creates more pollution per vehicle than manufacturing ICE vehicles. EV battery mineral mining, battery production and battery disposal are all enormous polluters. EV’s are much heavier and wear out tires faster

and, and, and...

EV technology is not ready for mass introduction.

This part is not true. Most of the increase in EV volume happens between 2025 and 2030 as more models are introduced. This coincides with the requirements by most of the more heavily populated states that their power generation get to carbon neutral status by 2040. So new power coming online is being brought on line with carbon neutral power generation as the focus, not fossil fuels.

https://about.bnef.com/blog/us-state...ower-total-22/

[jamala00]

Originally Posted by Martinjlm

This part is not true. Most of the increase in EV volume happens between 2025 and 2030 as more models are introduced. This coincides with the requirements by most of the more heavily populated states that their power generation get to carbon neutral status by 2040. So new power coming online is being brought on line with carbon neutral power generation as the focus, not fossil fuels.

https://about.bnef.com/blog/us-state...ower-total-22/

That's only the US... Doesn't everyone need to be on the same page in order to make this whole green earth work? (Or at least most everyone)

China’s new coal power spree continues as more provinces jump on the bandwagon

[The Zebra]

Originally Posted by Martinjlm

This part is not true. Most of the increase in EV volume happens between 2025 and 2030 as more models are introduced. This coincides with the requirements by most of the more heavily populated states that their power generation get to carbon neutral status by 2040. So new power coming online is being brought on line with carbon neutral power generation as the focus, not fossil fuels.

https://about.bnef.com/blog/us-state...ower-total-22/

another inexecutable mandate

[jamala00]

Originally Posted by The Zebra

another inexecutable mandate

And the title of that article is "US States Aiming for 100% Clean Power Total 22"

"Aiming for"... but yet it's presented as fact as if every Goal is hit... Just like we are witnessing right before our very eyes all the EV goals getting hit... Oh wait... No, they are all pulling back on those "goals"

[Martinjlm]

Originally Posted by jamala00

And the title of that article is "US States Aiming for 100% Clean Power Total 22"

"Aiming for"... but yet it's presented as fact as if every Goal is hit... Just like we are witnessing right before our very eyes all the EV goals getting hit... Oh wait... No, they are all pulling back on those "goals"

The point is if they are aiming for it they are taking action. The action is adding capacity via renewable technology which means increases in electrical generation are not fossil fuel as was stated. That’s why I say the statement is inaccurate. Will they hit their targets? Hell if I know. But they are at least working in that direction by adding non-fossil fuel power generation.

[jamala00]

Originally Posted by Martinjlm

The point is if they are aiming for it they are taking action. The action is adding capacity via renewable technology which means increases in electrical generation are not fossil fuel as you’ve stated. That’s why I say your statement is inaccurate. Will they hit their targets? Hell if I know. But they are at least working in that direction by adding non-fossil fuel power generation.

It wasn't my statement that you quoted and posted that article on.

[Martinjlm]

Originally Posted by jamala00

It wasn't my statement that you quoted and posted that article on.

True dat. Fixed.

[Capricio]

Originally Posted by Martinjlm

The point is if they are aiming for it they are taking action. The action is adding capacity via renewable technology which means increases in electrical generation are not fossil fuel as was stated.

If I was cynical, I'd say the point is to increase electrical demand through EV production while simultaneously replacing affordable reliable sources of energy (coal/nuclear/hydro) with expensive inconsistent sources (wind/solar). What could go wrong?

[Wyzz Kydd]

"A report from the International Energy Agency (IEA), published last week, claims that the world will reach peak demand for oil, coal and gas by 2030. This has been seized on by the likes of the World Economic Forum as proof that we’re about to enter a brave, green future, free of evil fossil fuels."

"But other developments this month suggest otherwise. At the same time as the IEA and the WEF have been heralding an imminent end to fossil fuels, Germany has been firing up an extra coal facility, energy giants Exxon Mobil and Chevron are doubling down on their fossil-fuel businesses and the wind-power industry has been begging governments for more subsidies and bailouts."

https://www.spiked-online.com/2023/1...-here-to-stay/

[olrocker]

Originally Posted by Wyzz Kydd

energy giants Exxon Mobil and Chevron

Lost in all the hooplah about an all-electric future are these big boys - and all the oil giants.

Let's just keep in mind that one of them had the largest environmental catastrophe in history, was sued to the moon and back by every developed country (and probably even a few undeveloped countries no one has ever heard of) due to a drunken ship captain, and the financial hit from all of it including the bad PR and reputation, it was all basically the equivalent to you and I losing the change in our couch cushions.

Does anyone seriously, no I mean SERIOUSLY, think that they're going to go out quietly and just let electric cars take over?

[Martinjlm]

Originally Posted by olrocker

Lost in all the hooplah about an all-electric future are these big boys - and all the oil giants.

Let's just keep in mind that one of them had the largest environmental catastrophe in history, was sued to the moon and back by every developed country (and probably even a few undeveloped countries no one has ever heard of) due to a drunken ship captain, and the financial hit from all of it including the bad PR and reputation, it was all basically the equivalent to you and I losing the change in our couch cushions.

Does anyone seriously, no I mean SERIOUSLY, think that they're going to go out quietly and just let electric cars take over?

The oil giants are split. ExxonMobil and Chevron are staying away from all things EV.

BP and Shell are playing both sides of the fence and investing significantly in EV charging. In fact, the largest EV charging facility in the world is owned and operated by Shell. BP announced just this week that they are investing $100M to add charging stations to company owned stations. They just built a new gas station a few miles from where I live this past spring. The EV charge points were up and running before the fuel pumps.

Here’s what “pulling back from EV” looks like in GM world…
https://electrek.co/2023/10/30/chevy...l-coming-soon/