Refreshed 2019 Camaro lineup spotted at GM Proving Grounds - Page 24

JCunningham · 11-24-2017, 10:47 PM

GM will probably list the real 460hp instead of under rating it to make it look like the Corvette has more. still has 60 more lbft of torque then the mustang.

doc7000 · 11-24-2017, 11:23 PM

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Originally Posted by JCunningham

GM will probably list the real 460hp instead of under rating it to make it look like the Corvette has more. still has 60 more lbft of torque then the mustang.

The 2018 Mustang GT is rated at 460BHP and 420ftlbs of torque while the Camaro SS is rated at 455BHP and 455ft-lbs so the Camaro has 35ft-lbs more.

JCunningham · 11-24-2017, 11:34 PM

o thought the mustang only had 400lbft. Chevy under rates the Camaro to 455hp 455 lbft to make the vette look like its got more power but they use the exact same motor. Corvette is rated at 460hp 465lbft

doc7000 · 11-24-2017, 11:40 PM

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Originally Posted by JCunningham

o thought the mustang only had 400lbft. Chevy under rates the Camaro to 455hp 455 lbft to make the vette look like its got more power but they use the exact same motor. Corvette is rated at 460hp 465lbft

I highly doubt the claim that the Camaro is under rated, modern rating system standards involve third party testers and stricter control on what it means to be stock. Looking at the few Mustang GT dynos and varies Camaro SS dynos would put them about even when it comes to horsepower ratings.

JCunningham · 11-24-2017, 11:49 PM

well how does the motor in the Camaro and the motor in the Vette have different ratings when they are the same motor.
I guess the air filter housing may make 5hp and 10lbft on the vette. You think so? GM is the one that releases the numbers and they can under rate if they want to. They have done it many time in the past. Id would think 5hp 10lbft could be + or - on the engine dyno per run.

WhyUMad1LE · 11-25-2017, 01:21 AM

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Originally Posted by JCunningham

well how does the motor in the Camaro and the motor in the Vette have different ratings when they are the same motor.
I guess the air filter housing may make 5hp and 10lbft on the vette. You think so? GM is the one that releases the numbers and they can under rate if they want to. They have done it many time in the past. Id would think 5hp 10lbft could be + or - on the engine dyno per run.

They have different exhaust/headers

JCunningham · 11-25-2017, 01:35 AM

yep theres another

Marty McFlew · 11-25-2017, 09:32 PM

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Originally Posted by JCunningham

o thought the mustang only had 400lbft. Chevy under rates the Camaro to 455hp 455 lbft to make the vette look like its got more power but they use the exact same motor. Corvette is rated at 460hp 465lbft

I think the Camaro is slightly detuned is why the Vette has more. Also todays power rating I think are pretty accurate. Yesterdays power rating were underrated. Even the old 302 Z/28 was 295hp. Modern dynos show 320 something and mid 300s tq. The Chrysler Hemi said 425 HP. Modern Dynos show about 490-low 500 on rebuilt back to spec engines. The 454 Chevys show around 500hp. And with all that power the tires and transmissions used could only squeeze out low 13 runs. But after performance tuning and slicks they were running low 12s. Imagine those car engines if they had modern 6 or 8 spd trans. and modern tires.

metros11 · 11-25-2017, 10:25 PM

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Since Chevy always responds to what Ford is doing with the Mustang, I'm sure the engineers have noted that the 5.0 is now at 460 hp. And even though the torque number is more important for acceleration, horsepower is used for bragging rights and selling cars.

Aside from the horsepower, I'm sure Chevy also noticed the optional digital gauge cluster in the Mustang. Chevy has the HUD, but Ford has that big 12" customizable cluster.

So slight horsepower bump and optional digital gauges seem like good places to start as far as non-cosmetic changes.

I was thinking the same thing. It'll either be 460hp to match the Vette, or the latter will get it's own power bump and the number for the Camaro will rise.

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Originally Posted by Marty McFlew

I think the Camaro is slightly detuned is why the Vette has more.

Not ruling out being de-tuned, but more likely different intake and exhaust bumping the power.

JCunningham · 11-25-2017, 10:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Marty McFlew

I think the Camaro is slightly detuned is why the Vette has more. Also todays power rating I think are pretty accurate. Yesterdays power rating were underrated. Even the old 302 Z/28 was 295hp. Modern dynos show 320 something and mid 300s tq. The Chrysler Hemi said 425 HP. Modern Dynos show about 490-low 500 on rebuilt back to spec engines. The 454 Chevys show around 500hp. And with all that power the tires and transmissions used could only squeeze out low 13 runs. But after performance tuning and slicks they were running low 12s. Imagine those car engines if they had modern 6 or 8 spd trans. and modern tires.

i wish i could imagine a 1970 Chevelle with a LSX 454 and 6 speed in my garage right now.

Quinten_33 · 11-26-2017, 06:39 PM

I hope the SS will get bumped up to 475hp/475lb-ft. , V6 bumped up 20 hp and 10lb-ft, and the 2.0T will get 290/305. The ZL1 doesn’t need a power bump but a smaller upper pulley wouldn’t hurt. I’m also interested in exhaust tuning as the turbo sounds like crap and the Mustang GT just got a gattling gun-like exhaust.

As people have mentioned, we could finally see the 2.0T 1LE, but what’s the point?. I’ve heard that the V6 1LE has too much grip or not enough power, so reduceing power makes no sense. Sure, it would weigh 3350lbs and can be tuned to outrun an M2, but the only thing that car could do well is run an autocross course.

Zeke.Malvo · 11-26-2017, 06:52 PM

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GM will probably list the real 460hp instead of under rating it to make it look like the Corvette has more. still has 60 more lbft of torque then the mustang.

The Mustang has shown to make 400-405 rwtq through the manual transmission compared to about 420 rwtq from an LT1 powered car.

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Zeke.Malvo · 11-26-2017, 06:59 PM

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Originally Posted by wjones14

Since Chevy always responds to what Ford is doing with the Mustang, I'm sure the engineers have noted that the 5.0 is now at 460 hp. And even though the torque number is more important for acceleration, horsepower is used for bragging rights and selling cars.

Aside from the horsepower, I'm sure Chevy also noticed the optional digital gauge cluster in the Mustang. Chevy has the HUD, but Ford has that big 12" customizable cluster.

So slight horsepower bump and optional digital gauges seem like good places to start as far as non-cosmetic changes.

Chevy doesn't always respond. Chevy was happy leaving the automatic SS at 400 hp from '11-'15 while the Mustang continued to improve and out-power it with 412 hp, 420 hp, and 435 hp. It took them 4 years to respond with the '16. Will they go another 4 years?

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ULTRAZLS1 · 11-26-2017, 07:01 PM

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The Mustang has shown to make 400-405 rwtq through the manual transmission compared to about 420 rwtq from an LT1 powered car.

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Same dyno same day?

If not irrelevant comparison. Ive seen numbers lower and higher than that for both. Theres a dyno comparison to a 2015 right now on m6g showing 389 rwtq. Ive seen lt1 well into the 43x rwtq on some dynos.

They are ~30-35 tq apart just like the rating says.

Nobody likes that thread kinda funny. Resonator delete and better conditions and only 9 hp higher than expected for the ratings (which is nothing). That thread is the best evidence that the car is not under rated and its mostly crickets.

11-24-2017, 10:47 PM	#323
JCunningham Drives: 2017 2SS M6 Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: WNY Posts: 7,070	GM will probably list the real 460hp instead of under rating it to make it look like the Corvette has more. still has 60 more lbft of torque then the mustang. __________________ real ZL1 wheels and brakes, 285/305 Michelin Pilot Super Sports, Pray ported Intake manifold, Soler Throttle Body, Rotofab intake, EFI Tuning Flex fuel kit, full American Racing Headers Exhaust, 1 7/8" w/ cats H pipe and mufflers. Full 1LE suspension, with BMR adjustable sway bars and links, GM aluminum cradle bushings, Hurst shifter with lighter reverse spring, TWM shifter knob, Tick level 1 transmission. I should have bought a ZL1

11-24-2017, 11:34 PM	#325
JCunningham Drives: 2017 2SS M6 Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: WNY Posts: 7,070	o thought the mustang only had 400lbft. Chevy under rates the Camaro to 455hp 455 lbft to make the vette look like its got more power but they use the exact same motor. Corvette is rated at 460hp 465lbft __________________ real ZL1 wheels and brakes, 285/305 Michelin Pilot Super Sports, Pray ported Intake manifold, Soler Throttle Body, Rotofab intake, EFI Tuning Flex fuel kit, full American Racing Headers Exhaust, 1 7/8" w/ cats H pipe and mufflers. Full 1LE suspension, with BMR adjustable sway bars and links, GM aluminum cradle bushings, Hurst shifter with lighter reverse spring, TWM shifter knob, Tick level 1 transmission. I should have bought a ZL1

11-24-2017, 11:49 PM	#327
JCunningham Drives: 2017 2SS M6 Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: WNY Posts: 7,070	well how does the motor in the Camaro and the motor in the Vette have different ratings when they are the same motor. I guess the air filter housing may make 5hp and 10lbft on the vette. You think so? GM is the one that releases the numbers and they can under rate if they want to. They have done it many time in the past. Id would think 5hp 10lbft could be + or - on the engine dyno per run. __________________ real ZL1 wheels and brakes, 285/305 Michelin Pilot Super Sports, Pray ported Intake manifold, Soler Throttle Body, Rotofab intake, EFI Tuning Flex fuel kit, full American Racing Headers Exhaust, 1 7/8" w/ cats H pipe and mufflers. Full 1LE suspension, with BMR adjustable sway bars and links, GM aluminum cradle bushings, Hurst shifter with lighter reverse spring, TWM shifter knob, Tick level 1 transmission. I should have bought a ZL1

11-25-2017, 01:35 AM	#329
JCunningham Drives: 2017 2SS M6 Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: WNY Posts: 7,070	yep theres another __________________ real ZL1 wheels and brakes, 285/305 Michelin Pilot Super Sports, Pray ported Intake manifold, Soler Throttle Body, Rotofab intake, EFI Tuning Flex fuel kit, full American Racing Headers Exhaust, 1 7/8" w/ cats H pipe and mufflers. Full 1LE suspension, with BMR adjustable sway bars and links, GM aluminum cradle bushings, Hurst shifter with lighter reverse spring, TWM shifter knob, Tick level 1 transmission. I should have bought a ZL1

11-26-2017, 06:39 PM	#333
Quinten_33 Drives: Silverado Join Date: Dec 2016 Location: Above ground? Posts: 214	I hope the SS will get bumped up to 475hp/475lb-ft. , V6 bumped up 20 hp and 10lb-ft, and the 2.0T will get 290/305. The ZL1 doesn’t need a power bump but a smaller upper pulley wouldn’t hurt. I’m also interested in exhaust tuning as the turbo sounds like crap and the Mustang GT just got a gattling gun-like exhaust. As people have mentioned, we could finally see the 2.0T 1LE, but what’s the point?. I’ve heard that the V6 1LE has too much grip or not enough power, so reduceing power makes no sense. Sure, it would weigh 3350lbs and can be tuned to outrun an M2, but the only thing that car could do well is run an autocross course.

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