IPF Camaro V6 vs Procharger Mustang V6 (Soon)

[MagnumForceGB]

Originally Posted by hillshooter

are you still injecting methanol pre-supercharger? Two problems I see with that. One is corrosion in the supercharger, it doesn't get fuel or oil to keep the internals lubricated and of course methanol is very corrosive. Two is I wonder if it would actually reduce boost by making the incoming air denser to begin with by adding fuel to the mix. could actually make the supercharger work harder.

http://www.alcoholinjectionsystems.c...articles_id=40

Not spraying that much right now, just enough to get the supercharger cool during the burnout. The Vortech V3 is a self-contained unit with its own oil for lubrication. I also use 50/50 so it is not as corrosive. It also keeps the supercharger more efficient and allows more boost, I run about 0.8 PSI more just spraying a 175 cc/min. Spraying too much will cause it to be slower but the key is to find the right amount. A 225 cc/min slows me down 3/10th in 3rd gear, and none is 2/10ths slower.

[JantzenOKC]

Originally Posted by MagnumForceGB

Who thinks a 10 second stock internal V6 is possible?

I'll be there watching though...

[911medic]

Bravo, MFGB. The dedication pays off!

[MagnumForceGB]

I drove the Camaro for the first time yesterday since the track, still fast with that last tune. I miss the prepped track and drag radials, my regular tires have zero grip and put on a nice smoke show.

Been trying to figure out what my HP number is now. The TC I website says 497 with 4055 lb and 116.27 trap. Don't know if this is flywheel or rear wheel. With a 20% drivetrain loss it's 622 flywheel. 553 for 10% loss, 585 for 15%. Locking converter with one piece driveshaft should help the loss.

This site also does it based on ET and weight, says 487 for the 11.840 et.
http://www.ajdesigner.com/fl_horsepo...apsed_time.php

[JantzenOKC]

I had to play with that calculator.. I don't know how accurate it is but I put my stock info in and it came up with exactly what my car dynoed at stock.

Stock: 3900lbs + 95mph = 261hp

Present: 3865lbs + 119.88mph = 519hp

Sounds good I'll go with that lol.

[MagnumForceGB]

So it is rwhp, not flywheel. Also, I can't believe my car is 200 lbs heavier than yours, need to lighten her up next time. According to the TCI page, I would run 11.45 @ 118 at your weight.

http://www.tciauto.com/tc/racing-calculators/

[JantzenOKC]

Originally Posted by MagnumForceGB

So it is rwhp, not flywheel. Also, I can't believe my car is 200 lbs heavier than yours, need to lighten her up next time. According to the TCI page, I would run 11.45 @ 118 at your weight.

http://www.tciauto.com/tc/racing-calculators/

I agree, I weighed my passenger seat when I had it out and it weighed 59lbs. I didn't think they were supposed to be that heavy, I do have leather powered and heated seats on both sides tho.

I need to get my car in the 11s too so OKC can have the fastest V6 Camaros in the country. V6 Outlaws!

[MagnumForceGB]

Originally Posted by JantzenOKC

I agree, I weighed my passenger seat when I had it out and it weighed 59lbs. I didn't think they were supposed to be that heavy, I do have leather powered and heated seats on both sides tho.

I need to get my car in the 11s too so OKC can have the fastest V6 Camaros in the country. V6 Outlaws!

I have cloth so it might not be as bad, but that wood subwoofer box is not light. I was also carrying extra equipment, tire inflator, extra gallon of meth, and a heavy duty gopro case. Didn't need the extra meth, 2.5 gallons was plenty. Next time I need to do some cam timing changes with ideas I have. It is all top end range since I think I'm leaving power up top, need to trap higher.

Would be nice to have the fastest V6's at the track, too many slow V8 Camaro's there so we need to pick up their slack.

[MagnumForceGB]

HP Tuners has a program called RaceRender, lets you overlay data from the scanner onto a video like GoPro. Tested this out with my 11.84 video. The middle gauge is the boost.

[HP Turbine]

That's a pretty cool video!

[MagnumForceGB]

Looks like I'm not done tuning yet, modified the cams more and gained more time in 3rd gear. Might only translate to 0.1-0.2 off my ET but it will increase my trapspeed. Down low it doesn't look like the cams give any significant increase, but it might be because the gears are to fast.

What I'm doing is getting the intake valve to open just before the pistons hits TDC between the exhaust and intake stroke. My exhaust valve is still open so the intake charge is cleaning out the chamber and cooling down parts as well. This wouldn't work on a Turbo car since the cool air would slow the turbine down. It worked last time at the track, now I'm trying to squeeze more on the intake side.

[JantzenOKC]

So does that mean you'll be out there tonight in the Camaro?

[IneedAZ]

Originally Posted by MagnumForceGB

Looks like I'm not done tuning yet, modified the cams more and gained more time in 3rd gear. Might only translate to 0.1-0.2 off my ET but it will increase my trapspeed. Down low it doesn't look like the cams give any significant increase, but it might be because the gears are to fast.

What I'm doing is getting the intake valve to open just before the pistons hits TDC between the exhaust and intake stroke. My exhaust valve is still open so the intake charge is cleaning out the chamber and cooling down parts as well. This wouldn't work on a Turbo car since the cool air would slow the turbine down. It worked last time at the track, now I'm trying to squeeze more on the intake side.

have you done anything with VCP spark? Overall, how would you say your High Octane timing is compared to stock? For some reason i noticed below 3k rpm mine was retarded by the tuner. I have since raised mine and it feels peppier.

[MagnumForceGB]

Originally Posted by JantzenOKC

So does that mean you'll be out there tonight in the Camaro?

I'll be out there but in my Mustang. The Mustang Club will be out there and want to show them how it is done. I also will be working on its tune, hard to do pulls on the street with its 3.15 gears. That thing gets over the speed limit real fast.

Originally Posted by IneedAZ

have you done anything with VCP spark? Overall, how would you say your High Octane timing is compared to stock? For some reason i noticed below 3k rpm mine was retarded by the tuner. I have since raised mine and it feels peppier.

The LLT doesn't have a High Octane table, it has Optimal Spark instead. Funny thing is, the Mustang's use a similar approach so I can understand it better. The Main Spark table is modified with adders and if it is below the Optimal spark value the ECU will attempt to get more power. If it is over the optimal, it will reduce spark or worse case, close the throttle. It also has air load stuff to deal with too.

I added quite a bit of timing down low along with getting the intake cam to close about 3 degrees after BDC. He might have retarded it to help with drivability. I would add timing until your knock sensors see something or you don't gain anything. Also see about disabling Tip-In management, don't have my computer with me so can't see if the LFX has it. Usually high octane is only needed for high RPM usage.