[MazzaBL]

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

Really?? You just said it...

Yea it is. Based on any current Shelby times I’ve seen. Head to head, same conditions, who knows

[BlaqWhole]

Originally Posted by MazzaBL

We’ll have to wait for the cars to be tested head to head in same conditions to tell.

WTF have I been saying this whole time? Are you high or something?

Originally Posted by MazzaBL

My whole point is that the GT’s are already running faster than the times you’re claiming it will. Forget comparing it to anything, that’s not my point. You feel it will be a 12.5+ car and evidence already disproves your claim. What don’t you understand about that?

Yet again for the challenged folks out there...I said in an OFFICIAL TEST I think it'll do mid 12s. I clearly acknowledged LMR's 12. I am not impressed by it no do I think it is anything special. I acknowledged that they took an 18 GT and ran a 12 flat. But I said there is a difference between a fast list time and an officially tested time. Are SS Camaros 11 sec cars because a few people have ran an 11.9 and faster bone stock? No. They officially are considered to be a 12.3-12.5. Likewise until the 18 GT is officially tested to run a 12 flat it cannot be considered a 12 flat car.

[BlaqWhole]

Originally Posted by MazzaBL

Those changes just happen to make it faster than the Shelby in a straight line.

Originally Posted by MazzaBL

No where in any of my posts did i say the new GT is faster than any car.

Originally Posted by MazzaBL

Yea it is. Based on any current Shelby times I’ve seen.

[MazzaBL]

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

Numerous people have already ran under 12.5. A guy on YouTube ran a 12.49@119 with a shitty 2.29 60ft. But we should just ignore all these runs according to you so we’ll just have to wait for the h2h

[Zeke.Malvo]

"OFFICIAL TEST RUN" LOL

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[FastCarFanBoy]

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

I'll ask the question again. If the EB Mustang was faster than the GT, do you really think the Mustang faithful would be completely fine with that?

If you think Ford sits around worrying about gt350 owners feelings, past history disagrees with you.

in 2012 the Boss 302 LS was faster in both the 1/4 and VIR LL than the 2012 GT500. to add insult to that injury Ford dropped the 662hp verion the next year in the GT500 MCE. Ford must still be offering 2012 gt500 owners therapy.

in 2011 the 5.0 GT was only a couple .1's slower in the 1/4 than the GT500 of that year.

Originally Posted by Chadicus

The LMR run was impressive no one is disputing that. However that was the fastest run they had in negative DA on a rented track while altering tire pressure. An official test with instruments will be done exactly as the car comes off the truck with the recommended tire pressure and everything else. Probably won't be run on a negative DA either.

the 12.02 was run in +600 d/a iirc

[BlaqWhole]

Originally Posted by FastCarFanBoy

If you think Ford sits around worrying about gt350 owners feelings, past history disagrees with you.

in 2012 the Boss 302 LS was faster in both the 1/4 and VIR LL than the 2012 GT500. to add insult to that injury Ford dropped the 662hp verion the next year in the GT500 MCE. Ford must still be offering 2012 gt500 owners therapy.

in 2011 the 5.0 GT was only a couple .1's slower in the 1/4 than the GT500 of that year.

When has the GT been faster than any top tier Mustang in the same year since 1994? The GT. Not the Boss, the GT. Not a 2012 GT being only a couple tenths slower than a 2011 GT500. Now you say that history disagrees with me. So again, when has any GT been faster than a higher tier Mustang made in the same year?

[Chadicus]

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

When has the GT been faster than any top tier Mustang in the same year since 1994? The GT. Not the Boss, the GT. Not a 2012 GT being only a couple tenths slower than a 2011 GT500. Now you say that history disagrees with me. So again, when has any GT been faster than a higher tier Mustang made in the same year?

Probably the 1980s. Wasn't the LX 5.0 faster than the GT?

[BlaqWhole]

Originally Posted by Chadicus

Probably the 1980s. Wasn't the LX 5.0 faster than the GT?

The LX was the notchback right? And the GT was a hatchback with ground effects I think. I could be wrong. The LX was faster by a small amount because it was lighter. Or I'll say the notchback was faster than the hatchback. But I don't think that was a higher tier than the GT. I think they were either the same but with just a different look or the GT was actually the higher of the two. I'm not sure. But I said from 94 anyway.

[FastCarFanBoy]

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

When has the GT been faster than any top tier Mustang in the same year since 1994? The GT. Not the Boss, the GT. Not a 2012 GT being only a couple tenths slower than a 2011 GT500. Now you say that history disagrees with me. So again, when has any GT been faster than a higher tier Mustang made in the same year?

why does the model designation matter? the Boss 302 was $15k cheaper than the GT500 and was better in every metric. the GT was $20k cheaper and was .3 slower in the 1/4.

[BlaqWhole]

Originally Posted by FastCarFanBoy

why does the model designation matter? the Boss 302 was $15k cheaper than the GT500 and was better in every metric. the GT was $20k cheaper and was .3 slower in the 1/4.

Why do you guys keep trying to deflect every time you can't answer a question? I made a point that the GT has never been faster than a higher tier Mustang in the same year to back up my point that I don't think it'll go faster than the GT350 in the quarter mile when it is magazine tested. Has it been? No, it hasn't. Someone else brought up that history would disagree with me. Yet, again, has history ever shown a GT to be faster than a higher tier Mustang? No. So history would show that I'm right. I'm not talking about the Boss vs the GT500. I'm talking about the GT. The magazine time for the GT350 is 12.2. I am sure someone somewhere has gone faster. But the time everyone uses is the 12.2 that MT and C&D have done. LMR ran a 12.02 in the GT but we can't fairly compare that to a magazine time now can we? No, we can't. So until it is tested, nobody can say it is faster than the magazine times posted for the GT350 which is 12.2. And until it is proven differently I will stick by my statement that it will do mid 12s, it will be slower than the GT350, and the SS will also edge it out.

[shaffe]

BlaqWhole, the only thing I don't get in your arguments is you keep bringing up the GT350 1/4 mile time. The car was NOT BUILT FOR 1/4.

Using your logic that the halo model has to be fastest in the 1/4

was the 5th gen Z/28 was a failure as the halo model because the 20K cheaper ZL1 was faster in the 1/4.

The 6th Gen ZL1 1LE is the current halo model but the A10 ZL1 is faster in the 1/4 Does that make the ZL1 1LE a failure?

Those are "lesser" models that are faster in the 1/4 than the halo model

Now if the PP2 matches the 350 on the track, then I will give you that. That would be a tough pill to swallow.

[Chadicus]

Originally Posted by shaffe

BlaqWhole, the only thing I don't get in your arguments is you keep bringing up the GT350 1/4 mile time. The car was NOT BUILT FOR 1/4.

Using your logic that the halo model has to be fastest in the 1/4

was the 5th gen Z/28 was a failure as the halo model because the 20K cheaper ZL1 was faster in the 1/4.

The 6th Gen ZL1 1LE is the current halo model but the A10 ZL1 is faster in the 1/4 Does that make the ZL1 1LE a failure?

Those are "lesser" models that are faster in the 1/4 than the halo model

Now if the PP2 matches the 350 on the track, then I will give you that. That would be a tough pill to swallow.

If the PP2 truly has the 350 suspension and since it comes with the 305 tires it just might match it on short tracks. (For a lap) The 350 is being talked about so much because 1: The ADM on the car is so ridiculous it puts it into C7 Grand Sport (350) and Z06 range (350R) in out the door pricing and 2: From 15-17 every single Mustang made has been soundly thumped in everything. In some cases even by lower tier Camaros. It is the Crown Jewel of the S550 platform and at this point many of us consider it to be a failure.

[shaffe]

Originally Posted by Chadicus

If the PP2 truly has the 350 suspension and since it comes with the 305 tires it just might match it on short tracks. (For a lap) The 350 is being talked about so much because 1: The ADM on the car is so ridiculous it puts it into C7 Grand Sport (350) and Z06 range (350R) in out the door pricing and 2: From 15-17 every single Mustang made has been soundly thumped in everything. In some cases even by lower tier Camaros. It is the Crown Jewel of the S550 platform and at this point many of us consider it to be a failure.

I get that. what I don't get is why the 350's 1/4 performance is brought up so much.