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Malibu T · 08-26-2015, 02:10 PM

"Breakin' the law! Breakin' the law!"

Caught approaching the intersection at 19mph, in a 35mph zone. Really lucky I didn't kill someone

...with my foot on the brake & right blinker on?? This was NOT a "no right turn on red" violation. So my guess is, maybe I didn't make a complete (2, 3, 4 sec.) stop??? I'd literally just pulled out of a dealership a few blocks back, after waiting 5hrs in their customer lounge for full paint correction & polish (Hence the shine!). I had passed about 1/4mile of VERY heavy afternoon traffic turning left. By the time I rounded the last few curves, I was within a few hundred ft from the intersection (westbound, center lane). I haven't lived in Va Beach for yrs, so it was taking a moment to recognize the area & busy "new" traffic pattern. I quickly realized I needed to be in the left turn lane, heading back towards the Interstate & south to NC.
However, knowing I was:
*A. WAY too late to get into the left lane (light changed to amber).
*B. Driving a Camaro SS, therefore, everyone would squeeze together like sardines & put their blinders on the second I flipped my left blinker...
...I opted to scoot over into the right lane & go around the block, before the rear approaching traffic pinned me in the center westbound (straight) lane. That was an even bigger mistake! Traffic was ridiculous, and I do not have GPS/Navigation.

Found an article that said Va Beach received $1.5 MILLION in revenue for these 13 redlight cameras in 2012. No one challenges these tickets. It's definitely my Camaro... though, I did install my new stripes within 24hrs after. ("...but Judge, it wasn't my SS!")

What's your opinion about ticketing via mail & street cams?
I'm also curious how this works... Does the officer actually decide who to ticket when he/she is reviewing these vids? (Is a sin, a "Sin", regardless.) Do assigned officers simply check the "crab-pots" once a wk, verify VIN w/plates, & submit a certain quota of summons? If I had approached the light at 50mph, or smoked the tires through the right turn, would it still be $50? (because my husband is giving me that level of crap about getting this ticket! Haha!) Not bashing law enforcement

... they have a very difficult job, & issuing minor traffic tickets is the least of it... but doesn't this seem a bit like those famous small town $$cash cow$$ speed traps? If I'm going to be labeled a Road Rebel, I would've at least liked to have been captured leading that pack of beaters that were SERIOUSLY blowing through the light turning left.

SNSSTR · 08-26-2015, 02:25 PM

I'm failing to see why you even got the ticket if you stopped and then turned right when it was all clear

c5Legend · 08-26-2015, 02:32 PM

I got the same ticket, its cause I didnt make a full stop when turning

J-Crazy Camaro · 08-26-2015, 02:34 PM

its still only a $50 ticket, it could be passing a schoolbus or cutting off a pedestrian haha

seanjhon · 08-26-2015, 02:34 PM

Arnt these tickets illegal if the officers does not hand them to you?! I thought I read that somewhere...

anywhooo...this happened to me when I actually first got my camaro, and when I called they said it was indeed because i did not stop for the full 3 secs....either way took it to court, got it dismissed...you can actually view the video by going online and putting in that ticket number (well that is how its set up here in colorado).

Good luck

Pathogen · 08-26-2015, 02:35 PM

In Ohio, a judge found that the cameras violate due process. I would fight it.

rebelyell22 · 08-26-2015, 02:38 PM

stop light cameras are illegal here. Maybe you should move lol

67Builder · 08-26-2015, 02:39 PM

From what I can read in NC traffic law. There is no time requirement for a complete stop. Just that you stop completely. As long as your wheels stopped turning, and you had no forward progress (no matter how slight the timing). You've come to a complete stop and have satisfied the letter of the law. There is nothing that I can see that mentions any length of time you have to be stopped to be considered stopped. Just the wording over and over "complete stop".

If you rolled it, you're hosed.

Watch the video and look for yourself.

Fighting these tickets is sometimes painful because you can just pay the fine and be done with it. It may cost you a bit more to fight it. Even if you win, you've probably paid more than the fine.

Of course IANAL.

SNSSTR · 08-26-2015, 02:45 PM

Here's the website to view the video if you are so inclined: https://www.photonotice.com/

gajagfan · 08-26-2015, 02:46 PM

I got one of those tickets in GA where we live. I had noticed a flash (it was after dark), so I was not surprised when I got something in the mail. I had all dreamed up in my mind that I was going to claim I had stopped short, so when I was moving through the sensor area, it caught me as I pulled up. Right before I went down to the police station to plead my case, I thought I should watch the video online. Really glad I did! Not only did I not come to a complete stop, I don't think I got below 10 MPH. I was guilty as hell. I did end up going to the police station, but I brought a check for my fine.

SSJ455 · 08-26-2015, 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by 67Builder

From what I can read in NC traffic law. There is no time requirement for a complete stop. Just that you stop completely. As long as your wheels stopped turning, and you had no forward progress (no matter how slight the timing). You've come to a complete stop and have satisfied the letter of the law. There is nothing that I can see that mentions any length of time you have to be stopped to be considered stopped. Just the wording over and over "complete stop".

If you rolled it, you're hosed.

Watch the video and look for yourself.

Fighting these tickets is sometimes painful because you can just pay the fine and be done with it. It may cost you a bit more to fight it. Even if you win, you've probably paid more than the fine.

Of course IANAL.

You make a good point, but maybe in the future you would want to spell out I am not a lawyer. Just a suggestion.

67Builder · 08-26-2015, 02:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SSJ455

You make a good point, but maybe in the future you would want to spell out I am not a lawyer. Just a suggestion.

I agree.

SSJ455 · 08-26-2015, 03:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 67Builder

I agree.

What the shit!! I missed that one!

kmarshall2121 · 08-26-2015, 03:20 PM

Ask the member that tried returning his Camaro - bet hes got some legal words to use! haha... anyway, they have removed them here in San Diego too, since they caused more trouble for the courts than they were worth. Also, only sent the ticket out with a 'recommended' to pay amount, non-enforceable...

08-26-2015, 02:10 PM	#1
Malibu T Barbie Aficionado Drives: 2013 2SS/RS Join Date: Aug 2014 Location: Under the moonlight... the serious moonlight, NC Posts: 191	BUSTED! Finally got my 1st ticket (w/photo's!) "Breakin' the law! Breakin' the law!" Caught approaching the intersection at 19mph, in a 35mph zone. Really lucky I didn't kill someone ...with my foot on the brake & right blinker on?? This was NOT a "no right turn on red" violation. So my guess is, maybe I didn't make a complete (2, 3, 4 sec.) stop??? I'd literally just pulled out of a dealership a few blocks back, after waiting 5hrs in their customer lounge for full paint correction & polish (Hence the shine!). I had passed about 1/4mile of VERY heavy afternoon traffic turning left. By the time I rounded the last few curves, I was within a few hundred ft from the intersection (westbound, center lane). I haven't lived in Va Beach for yrs, so it was taking a moment to recognize the area & busy "new" traffic pattern. I quickly realized I needed to be in the left turn lane, heading back towards the Interstate & south to NC. However, knowing I was: A. WAY too late to get into the left lane (light changed to amber). B. Driving a Camaro SS, therefore, everyone would squeeze together like sardines & put their blinders on the second I flipped my left blinker... ...I opted to scoot over into the right lane & go around the block, before the rear approaching traffic pinned me in the center westbound (straight) lane. That was an even bigger mistake! Traffic was ridiculous, and I do not have GPS/Navigation. Found an article that said Va Beach received $1.5 MILLION in revenue for these 13 redlight cameras in 2012. No one challenges these tickets. It's definitely my Camaro... though, I did install my new stripes within 24hrs after. ("...but Judge, it wasn't my SS!") What's your opinion about ticketing via mail & street cams? I'm also curious how this works... Does the officer actually decide who to ticket when he/she is reviewing these vids? (Is a sin, a "Sin", regardless.) Do assigned officers simply check the "crab-pots" once a wk, verify VIN w/plates, & submit a certain quota of summons? If I had approached the light at 50mph, or smoked the tires through the right turn, would it still be $50? (because my husband is giving me that level of crap about getting this ticket! Haha!) Not bashing law enforcement... they have a very difficult job, & issuing minor traffic tickets is the least of it... but doesn't this seem a bit like those famous small town $$cash cow$$ speed traps? If I'm going to be labeled a Road Rebel, I would've at least liked to have been captured leading that pack of beaters that were SERIOUSLY blowing through the light turning left. Attached Images __________________

08-26-2015, 02:25 PM	#2
SNSSTR All About That Speed Drives: 2010 Camaro 2SS/RS Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: Memphis Posts: 1,181	I'm failing to see why you even got the ticket if you stopped and then turned right when it was all clear __________________ 2010 SS M6 \| 416 CI \| H/C/I \| GPI TUNED \| SNSSTR

08-26-2015, 02:32 PM	#3
c5Legend Camaro5 Drives: 2010 Camaro 2LT Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: WA Posts: 1,155	I got the same ticket, its cause I didnt make a full stop when turning __________________ My Build '11 Chrysler 300 Limited / '10 Camaro 2LT

08-26-2015, 02:34 PM	#4
J-Crazy Camaro Drives: Red V8 Join Date: Jul 2014 Location: Georgia Posts: 325	its still only a $50 ticket, it could be passing a schoolbus or cutting off a pedestrian haha __________________ Live Hard, Drive Fast, Die Free. 'Merica

08-26-2015, 02:35 PM	#6
Pathogen Drives: 2014 1LS Camaro Join Date: May 2014 Location: Cincinnati, Ohio Posts: 653	In Ohio, a judge found that the cameras violate due process. I would fight it. __________________ Nobody with a good car needs to be justified. -Flannery O'Connor

08-26-2015, 02:34 PM	#5
seanjhon Drives: 2013 camaro Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: Colorado Posts: 607	Arnt these tickets illegal if the officers does not hand them to you?! I thought I read that somewhere... anywhooo...this happened to me when I actually first got my camaro, and when I called they said it was indeed because i did not stop for the full 3 secs....either way took it to court, got it dismissed...you can actually view the video by going online and putting in that ticket number (well that is how its set up here in colorado). Good luck

08-26-2015, 02:38 PM	#7
rebelyell22 Drives: 2011 SIM 2SS/RS LS3 Join Date: Sep 2013 Location: Tupelo, MS Posts: 5,902	stop light cameras are illegal here. Maybe you should move lol __________________ 2011 2SS/RS built 8/24/10

08-26-2015, 02:39 PM	#8
67Builder White knuckled & smiling Drives: '17 ZL1 AKA Perfection! Join Date: Aug 2015 Location: Lawn Guy Land NY Posts: 324	From what I can read in NC traffic law. There is no time requirement for a complete stop. Just that you stop completely. As long as your wheels stopped turning, and you had no forward progress (no matter how slight the timing). You've come to a complete stop and have satisfied the letter of the law. There is nothing that I can see that mentions any length of time you have to be stopped to be considered stopped. Just the wording over and over "complete stop". If you rolled it, you're hosed. Watch the video and look for yourself. Fighting these tickets is sometimes painful because you can just pay the fine and be done with it. It may cost you a bit more to fight it. Even if you win, you've probably paid more than the fine. Of course IANAL.

08-26-2015, 02:45 PM	#9
SNSSTR All About That Speed Drives: 2010 Camaro 2SS/RS Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: Memphis Posts: 1,181	Here's the website to view the video if you are so inclined: https://www.photonotice.com/ __________________ 2010 SS M6 \| 416 CI \| H/C/I \| GPI TUNED \| SNSSTR

08-26-2015, 02:46 PM	#10
gajagfan Drives: 2013 1SS 1LE Black - Std Exhaust Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: Brunswick, GA Posts: 3,622 View My Garage	I got one of those tickets in GA where we live. I had noticed a flash (it was after dark), so I was not surprised when I got something in the mail. I had all dreamed up in my mind that I was going to claim I had stopped short, so when I was moving through the sensor area, it caught me as I pulled up. Right before I went down to the police station to plead my case, I thought I should watch the video online. Really glad I did! Not only did I not come to a complete stop, I don't think I got below 10 MPH. I was guilty as hell. I did end up going to the police station, but I brought a check for my fine.

08-26-2015, 03:20 PM	#14
kmarshall2121 Drives: 2012 45th Anniversary Edition Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 1,618 View My Garage	Ask the member that tried returning his Camaro - bet hes got some legal words to use! haha... anyway, they have removed them here in San Diego too, since they caused more trouble for the courts than they were worth. Also, only sent the ticket out with a 'recommended' to pay amount, non-enforceable...