02-15-2018, 08:27 AM | #71 | |
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02-15-2018, 08:32 AM | #72 | |
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Which is still very open to interpretation. Test N tune night no problem, but all of a sudden a bracket race or Camaro shoot out is not covered. I think it's great that they stand by their products but that is still very much open to getting denied.
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02-15-2018, 12:55 PM | #73 | |
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I would expect ZL1 drag racers to go A10 with the M6 being more for street or track. A 650 hp, 650 lb-ft M6 is at such a disadvantage at the drags that it would frustrate me to breaking. I know from my 13 ZL1 M6 that it was nearly impossible (for me as a novice) to master a good launch. Too easy into the throttle or blew off the stock tires.
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02-15-2018, 01:34 PM | #74 | |
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I would expect that too, but there are tons of people on this forum that are still row your own gears no matter what types. I would have to assume that is why this question got asked. |
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02-18-2018, 08:15 AM | #77 |
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A8 shudder please
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02-20-2018, 05:39 AM | #78 |
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Damn.... Al and the Camaro team just literally punched the entire m6 ZL1/1LE/SS community right in the mouth with that statement.... everyone thats ok with the statement can go ahead get up off your knees now
IDC if I void my warranty or I break the car when I drag race it, just give me what I PAID for.... if not, just be up front about your product.... I bought a 2017 Mustang GT PP M6 as well last year, pretty sad it 60' better with a smaller engine and more weight..... Guess I'll be selling my 1LE if no fix comes
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I read through much of this thread but not all. Thanks to Al for the straight scoop, which was I thought all along. Good luck getting rid of the bog with a tune. Most of us running M6 SSes at the track feel a bog too but it is not as pronounced.
On the stock M6 SS I was able to get a few low 1.9s and with tires low 1.8s. So the best you can do is a 2.0 in an M6 ZL1? I was thinking of throwing a Paxton on my SS or upgrading ($gulp$) to the ZL1. A 2.0 would be disappointing to me. Still on the fence though. My CA6 ZL1 bog theory was the weakness of the diff. It is really built for the road track and not so much for the 1/4. Also I think the strength of the diff on the SS and ZL1 are about the same. This would benefit the SS and save Chevy a few $$. Am I wrong here? I do know the CA6 SS diff is much stouter than the 5th gen SS diff and that was on a heavier car. I have ridden home in a flatbed with my 5th gen 1LE. I think I am safe in the CA6 SS so far. The Ca6 SS axles can snap, but they are like a shear pin on an outboard motor and cheap to replace. Good call Chevy engineering. In the 5th gen ZL1 you had the Grave Digger diff with no worries about breakage. But man that sucker was heavy. I had to lift one in and out of my Rav4. My back still hurts. So with the lighter (and very impressive) CA6 ZL1 you get the lighter car and a little built in protection. I think a good trade off. Very few ZL1s ever see a drag strip. I rarely see one at Atco. But will I buy one? Given my car love for the 5th gen ZL1 I know I would like one. Can we get a group buy together? All this being said I am very jealous of watching M6 S197 bolton GTs dipping deep into the 11s with 5K clutch dumps, getting a little air under the front tires, and very low 1.5 60's. But then I do love the IRS on a mountain road. We must Compromise to have one car to do it all. The Camaro comes very close. Hats off to GM engineering building this car for us motor heads. But if there is a next gen Camaro can you make it a little easier to see out of? The Mustang has a better compromise here.
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Here is my issue with all this...
He explained that Launch Control kicks on the torque management... I don't think ANY of us used launch control after the first try... I was able to achieve a much better 0 to 60 bone stock using my legs and brain than the car was able to do using tech (this is why the euro guys laugh at us, just sayin) What we are worried about is this torque management bullshit being something we can't even tune out. This may be a HP tuners issue (in my case) but no tuner has figured out a way to edit the tq management table itself. Some say "oh you just bring the torque in later" but that just means you're software hamstringing your car...
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I'm not sure what it is about the software that is keeping that table specifically locked... But the EASIEST way to get a tuner to stop responding to you is to mention the M6 bog issue lol.
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03-28-2018, 02:22 PM | #83 |
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Well, although I appreciate the time spent to answer our questions, it is quite disappointing to find out GM does not care about fixing/improving the issue.
It is a software fix, nothing complicated or expensive. Either give us freedom to turn off the torque management or give some more slack before interfering with the launch. Instead of the next question, we should start thinking about the next car...
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I have no problem backing off this purchase either. |
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