best way to remove swirl marks?

[ihaveacamaro]

Originally Posted by babaron

Ok, I thought DA stood for dual action which meant that the device had both forced rotary and random orbital movement, such as the FLEX.
And that a Porter Cable was a pure random orbital polisher with no forced rotation, therefore, not dual action.

Am I wrong here?

Dual action means that the head of the polisher moves in both a large circle and lots of mini circles. Think the earth around the sun. It moves around the sun in its orbit but also rotates on its axis. Similar concept.

Forced rotation means the head of the polisher wool never show down no matter the amount of pressure you put on it.

[CamaroDreams07]

[QUOTE=Thebabycheech2012;7349327]

Originally Posted by CamaroDreams07

Holy crap. Please give me the name of the shop so I can be sure nobody I know EVER goes there.

That is some of the worst information I've ever heard.

Professional...yeah.

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You know what your right let me sit here and listen to a guy who sitting behind a computer or cell phone dreaming about details cars that are 250k or more super cars when we have 5.3 million in cars in our lot stopping traffic so people can look at them... do me a favor we are all giving advice. I say keep your rude comments and remarks to yourself... Thank you...

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I don't sit behind a computer. I post pics of my work here all the time.

Do you?

I don't think there's anyone here that wouldn't vouch for my work.

Everything you said was wrong. Just deal with it. Go back to wetsanding swirls.

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[Thebabycheech2012]

[QUOTE=CamaroDreams07;7350007]

Originally Posted by Thebabycheech2012

I don't sit behind a computer. I post pics of my work here all the time.

Do you?

I don't think there's anyone here that wouldn't vouch for my work.

Everything you said was wrong. Just deal with it. Go back to wetsanding swirls.

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No I got a life I don't need to sit on a free forums page, tring to grab business not how you make it in life bud. I be the better man and end it here you go your way of detailing I'll go my way... and learn a little respect when talking to people you don't know everything their is your still learning everyday as so am I'm...

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[CamaroDreams07]

[QUOTE=Thebabycheech2012;7350030]

Originally Posted by CamaroDreams07

No I got a life I don't need to sit on a free forums page, tring to grab business not how you make it in life bud. I be the better man and end it here you go your way of detailing I'll go my way... and learn a little respect when talking to people you don't know everything their is your still learning everyday as so am I'm...

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True. Im still learning. I'm just a lot further along. As are most of us on this free forum, clearly.

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[Thebabycheech2012]

[QUOTE=CamaroDreams07;7350214]

Originally Posted by Thebabycheech2012

True. Im still learning. I'm just a lot further along. As are most of us on this free forum, clearly.

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Just like people are a little more mature then other people it happens

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[axis]

Originally Posted by Thebabycheech2012

No its not our only philosophy. .. relax first of all we don't know how bad the first post is with the swirls as far as we know it could be in his paint... I'll admit I'm wrong we say it as a business way to tell them we will aren't going to put a wheel on the paint if the starches are too deep but here's some of the wrong work we put out.... I think you can't beat those shine
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You're right, the OP didn't say how deep his swirls are but you still don't assume it needs to be wet sanded from the beginning. The vast majority of swirls can EASILY be taken out with a DA and a good polish. Not covered, filled, and hidden, but REMOVED. There are some that need wet sanding but that should be a last resort. As most professional detailers will tell you, you do the LEAST aggressive approach to correct the paint. If that doesn't work, you go more aggressive. Starting with wet sanding on 90% of swirls is just washing precious clear coat down the drain.

[SSTG]

Originally Posted by axis

You're right, the OP didn't say how deep his swirls are but you still don't assume it needs to be wet sanded from the beginning. The vast majority of swirls can EASILY be taken out with a DA and a good polish. Not covered, filled, and hidden, but REMOVED. There are some that need wet sanding but that should be a last resort. As most professional detailers will tell you, you do the LEAST aggressive approach to correct the paint. If that doesn't work, you go more aggressive. Starting with wet sanding on 90% of swirls is just washing precious clear coat down the drain.

Technically, they wouldn't be Swirls at that point but "RIDS" Random Isolated Deep-er Scratches.
Not nit picking on you, but just so others that read this in the future understand there is a difference.
I for one, have never had to wet sand Swirls to remove them, EVER.
And when it comes to removing RIDS I spot sand them, not the entire panel.
Detailing is truly an art if it is done right. I know there is more than one way to get good results but there is truly a correct way of doing it and getting perfect results with the least amount of clear being removed thus protecting your car and allowing for future paint correction.

[SSTG]

Here is a very bad case of buffer trails from a previous Autobody shops work. It also has a serious case of swirled Paint.





I only used a Rotary Buffer and M105 on a wool pad and my Flex and M205 with a foam pad to remove both.

Same rear quarter panel in full sun.

[SSTG]

Another car, corrected with polishing only.

Trunk panel Before:





After:

[Casper954]

Originally Posted by SSTG

Another car, corrected with polishing only.

Trunk panel Before:





After:

what kind of polish were you using and equipment?

[SSTG]

Originally Posted by Casper954

what kind of polish were you using and equipment?

Meg's M105 with Makita rotary and wool cutting pad.
Finished with Meg's 205 and Flex DA and foam finishing pad.
That car was Detailed many years ago. I rarely ever use Wool pads any more as technology has came so far.
I just wanted to show that wet sanding should be your last approach.

[ilirg]

I'm just going to chime in with polishing the black paint on these cars is not very beginner friendly. I tried and failed even though I thought I did everything right. I suggest you hook up with someone who knows what they are doing to show you the ropes before attempting it yourself. Good luck.

[jshaf]

after reading this thread I have to say, CamaroDream07>babyscreetch2012. not even a second thought. anyone that puts wet sanding on the same level with general polishing ain't touching my car!

[Angelo@Autopia]

Originally Posted by Thebabycheech2012

No its not our only philosophy. .. relax first of all we don't know how bad the first post is with the swirls as far as we know it could be in his paint... I'll admit I'm wrong we say it as a business way to tell them we will aren't going to put a wheel on the paint if the starches are too deep but here's some of the wrong work we put out.... I think you can't beat those shine Attachment 592174Attachment 592175Attachment 592176Attachment 592177Attachment 592178

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Does she has any swirls?