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Q8Y · 08-16-2010, 11:29 AM

I from Kuwait and is mostly hot and humid as most of you know (122+ in the summer) and I'm looking for supercharger/turbocharger with the lowest IATs and heat soak.ofcourse I'm not going to drive it aggressively while it's this hot outside but it should provide constant good power at night (temps between 88-104) .I really like the idea of turbocharging but from what i hearf turbos are famous for heat soak.my car is an LS3 and the aim is to get to 600wrhp for now and it's not my daily drive only drive it weekends and I'm not a track user nor a racer just want some fun.I need something that will last with room to grow in the future planning to slowly push the stock LS3 until time to go forged.
The ones I'm considering are TTi-IPS tt-kenne bell because it's liquid cold (I don't know if maggies are)-vortech-eastcostsupercharging novi 1500

please help I'm kinda a newbie in this and if your in my place which one u choose
Thank you

SC2150 · 08-16-2010, 11:53 AM

http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=99515

FYI. Heat issues can be much less of an issue than they used to be.

ZZcamaro · 08-17-2010, 10:34 AM

Personally if you are looking for the lowest intake charge I would suggest the STS turbo system. You get the benefits of a twin turbo car, but the turbos are not heating up the engine compartment... they are rear mounted.

If you need more info I am happy to help just PM me. That would be my personal choice for a hot climate.

trudawg660 · 08-17-2010, 10:43 AM

i second the STS turbo route

thekid96 · 08-17-2010, 11:59 AM

Low mount turbos with a huge FMIC would be my first choice for lowest IAT and radiant heat. Centri would be second choice. The top mounts are always going to be limited by heat soak given their configuration and cooling system.

Q8Y · 08-17-2010, 02:56 PM

Thanks all for your replies rear mounted from what I read in the forum suffer from lag

Quote:

Originally Posted by thekid96

Low mount turbos with a huge FMIC would be my first choice for lowest IAT and radiant heat. Centri would be second choice. The top mounts are always going to be limited by heat soak given their configuration and cooling system.

You mean like granettli and ips I think ips kit comes with larger intercooler I'm going to pm them both to check
Thanks again

axis · 08-17-2010, 03:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thekid96

The top mounts are always going to be limited by heat soak given their configuration and cooling system.

How did you come to this conclusion? While they may increase underhood temps a little, they shouldn't be prone to heatsoak any more than any other turbo configuration. Heatsoak is a IC problem, not a under hood temp problem. Everyone seems to forget that Supra's run their HUGE single turbo up top and make 1000+whp. It comes down to preference.

thekid96 · 08-17-2010, 03:31 PM

I was referring to heat soak as a result of top mount blowers being bolted directly to a 200+ degree motor. The case gets HOT and the intercooler is trapped below, doesn't help help IAT's. Fact is a big aluminum blower case is a heat sink and will draw heat from the motor, one of the reasons for liquid cooled cases.

Quote:

Originally Posted by axis

How did you come to this conclusion? While they may increase underhood temps a little, they shouldn't be prone to heatsoak any more than any other turbo configuration. Heatsoak is a IC problem, not a under hood temp problem. Everyone seems to forget that Supra's run their HUGE single turbo up top and make 1000+whp. It comes down to preference.

SC2150 · 08-17-2010, 03:53 PM

The hotter the outside air temp, the better the super chiller works.....let me know if you need more details on the units and how they work. The link should cover most everything.

I have a couple of bad twin-turbo builds in Kuwait & surrounding countries also.

IPSjeff · 08-17-2010, 04:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Q8Y

You mean like granettli and ips I think ips kit comes with larger intercooler I'm going to pm them both to check
Thanks again

Yep, you want the biggest / most efficient intercooler you can get to keep intake-temps down. Running 8psi or less certainly helps with that as well. Worst-case scenario would be to add a meth kit to any of the above mentioned set-ups just as added insurance

Jeff

HaveBlue · 08-18-2010, 09:43 AM

The Edelbrock E-Force kit has a closed loop circulation system for the intercooler. Several shops have told me they see the lowest intake temps of any supercharger with this system.
My recomendation would be to talk with a shop that has done both and compare numbers.

*radz28* · 08-18-2010, 09:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HaveBlue

The Edelbrock E-Force kit has a closed loop circulation system for the intercooler. Several shops have told me they see the lowest intake temps of any supercharger with this system.
My recomendation would be to talk with a shop that has done both and compare numbers.

Hopefully we'll get some more insight

Q8Y · 08-18-2010, 04:28 PM

The thing is about the E-force is restricted for future upgrades.
Jeff have done any testing in hot weather??
Please PM me your price shipped to kuwait

old motorhead · 08-18-2010, 05:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HaveBlue

The Edelbrock E-Force kit has a closed loop circulation system for the intercooler. Several shops have told me they see the lowest intake temps of any supercharger with this system.
My recomendation would be to talk with a shop that has done both and compare numbers.

"Lowest intake temps of any supercharger?" Would that include the centrifugals also? If so, I find that really hard to believe. I'm also guessing that all of the top mount 'chargers have a "closed loop" coolant circulation system. What other way could it be done?

08-16-2010, 11:29 AM	#1
Q8Y Drives: '12 F150 Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: KWT Posts: 132 View My Garage	Looking for FI with the least heat problems I from Kuwait and is mostly hot and humid as most of you know (122+ in the summer) and I'm looking for supercharger/turbocharger with the lowest IATs and heat soak.ofcourse I'm not going to drive it aggressively while it's this hot outside but it should provide constant good power at night (temps between 88-104) .I really like the idea of turbocharging but from what i hearf turbos are famous for heat soak.my car is an LS3 and the aim is to get to 600wrhp for now and it's not my daily drive only drive it weekends and I'm not a track user nor a racer just want some fun.I need something that will last with room to grow in the future planning to slowly push the stock LS3 until time to go forged. The ones I'm considering are TTi-IPS tt-kenne bell because it's liquid cold (I don't know if maggies are)-vortech-eastcostsupercharging novi 1500 please help I'm kinda a newbie in this and if your in my place which one u choose Thank you __________________ recieved 7-10-09 2010 camaro black 2ss/RS/6m

08-18-2010, 09:43 AM	#11
HaveBlue Drives: CTS/CAMARO Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: SEMA/PERF INDUSTRY GUY Posts: 488	The Edelbrock E-Force kit has a closed loop circulation system for the intercooler. Several shops have told me they see the lowest intake temps of any supercharger with this system. My recomendation would be to talk with a shop that has done both and compare numbers. __________________ "everyone wants to go to heaven. but nobody wants to die" "you gotta pay to play" SEMA PICTURES-PARTS & CARS http://www.pbase.com/haveblue/sema_2009

08-18-2010, 04:28 PM	#13
Q8Y Drives: '12 F150 Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: KWT Posts: 132 View My Garage	The thing is about the E-force is restricted for future upgrades. Jeff have done any testing in hot weather?? Please PM me your price shipped to kuwait __________________ recieved 7-10-09 2010 camaro black 2ss/RS/6m

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08-16-2010, 11:53 AM	#2
SC2150 Account Suspended Drives: 2012 Camaro RS, RX supercharged Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Bradenton, FL Posts: 6,063	http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=99515 FYI. Heat issues can be much less of an issue than they used to be.

08-17-2010, 10:34 AM	#3
ZZcamaro Drives: 2SS w/ ZZ427 Package!! Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Pittsburgh, PA Posts: 2,700	Personally if you are looking for the lowest intake charge I would suggest the STS turbo system. You get the benefits of a twin turbo car, but the turbos are not heating up the engine compartment... they are rear mounted. If you need more info I am happy to help just PM me. That would be my personal choice for a hot climate.

08-17-2010, 10:43 AM	#4
trudawg660 Drives: 2006 Dodge Charger / 2SS IOM Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 1,640	i second the STS turbo route

08-17-2010, 11:59 AM	#5
thekid96 Drives: Z06, 69 Camaro Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Orange County Posts: 197	Low mount turbos with a huge FMIC would be my first choice for lowest IAT and radiant heat. Centri would be second choice. The top mounts are always going to be limited by heat soak given their configuration and cooling system.

08-17-2010, 03:53 PM	#9
SC2150 Account Suspended Drives: 2012 Camaro RS, RX supercharged Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Bradenton, FL Posts: 6,063	The hotter the outside air temp, the better the super chiller works.....let me know if you need more details on the units and how they work. The link should cover most everything. I have a couple of bad twin-turbo builds in Kuwait & surrounding countries also.