[SSfriendly]

Originally Posted by 2Bowties

Dude calm down, the mustang had shitty pirellis and the camaro had f’1’s. Its only one review, dont get all “i told you so’ on us lol! Relax

He gave a big fat "told you so" when someone claimed Evan Smiths run was done removing seats and sway-bar....when in fact it was totally stock.

If the next review comes out and favors the mustang, he will point back to this edmunds review as the limit of the mustangs capability. It's just who he is.

[2Bowties]

Originally Posted by SSfriendly

He gave a big fat "told you so" when someone claimed Evan Smiths run was done removing seats and sway-bar....when in fact it was totally stock.

If the next review comes out and favors the mustang, he will point back to this edmunds review as the limit of the mustangs capability. It's just who he is.

Yeah ive noticed.

[ST1LE]

Originally Posted by Fraxum

I love this test and the sloppy track editing. It's so real world. They might not have gotten enough SS track video to cover the Camaro discussion and spliced in some ZL1. They probably thought the Camaro drivers will be too drunk to notice. It is the rep we have. I try not to live it but sometimes I slip up.

I have spent a bit of time in the S197s and much more in the S550s. Most recently in a 2017 GT auto vert renter. I want one of each. If I could only have one car it would be the Mustang for sure. Even the 2017 is a ton of fun to drive and to me better looking. But for spirited driving as a second car the SS is a more fun choice. It is a more livable Corvette that has a trunk and almost a back seat. I always wanted a Vette but no more.

Give me the Mustang interior, exterior, and sound with the SS chassis, cooling, durability, handling, and brakes. Either engine will do. And the M6 of course. Autos are less fun. The perfect Pony car.

As to 1/4 times the jury is still out. We all have to admit it is close. But keep up the good fight! It can never end. I am a Mustang/Camaro fan boy so I can't lose. The Dodge is pretty but way too big. Make my Dodge a Charger Hellcat for long trips.

As for me I am glad my bolton SS M6 will keep up with all of the stock CA6 SS and S550/2 automatics. Full weight on 20" tires.

I completely agree with this. When/If Ford catches up on chassis tech, and makes a chassis worthy of their engines it will be a glorious automobile for sure!

[SpeedIsLife]

Based on my lurking on Mustang6G...there's really no butthurt or screaming. It's far more dramatic here.

[ULTRAZLS1]

Originally Posted by islander033

Typically m6 out traps automagic.

Maybe the a10 is that good?

Guess you haven’t seen the fast list. Look at all the times and honestly tell me the trend favors the m6. Noooo

They have also been tested same day

No trap advantage for m6

[Katastrophe]

As per the Edmunds video, I don't see why anyone would expect a different outcome on the performance side of things considering the equipment used.

The Camaro has a 245/275 summer tire setup, where the Mustang has at best a 245 square A/S setup (could be 235's like a lot of non-PP Mustangs come with). It doesn't take a genius to figure out that those tires are also responsible for braking and handling numbers. Whatever camp you like best, it's clear as day what helps and hinders a performance test.

Personally, I actually enjoyed the review. The manual vs auto thing is a bit silly, but whatever. It's entertainment.

EDIT: My mistake, the Mustang comes with 255 squared A/S tires (with Black Accent Pack). A decent upgrade over the base 235 A/S tires.

[Chadicus]

So the 401a comes with drag mode right? Wow. Granted this was not a PP car but um.... can't beat the M6 SS? Yikes. And that now that Mustang is higher I'm price than that SS as well.... ouch.

[TheReaper]

[QUOTE=L99BEN;10017455]Same shitty drivers that drove the camaro that day..

My car ran a constant 12.6 in stock form. I think the Edmunds 1/4 times is slow on both cars that's why I brought up the 2014 times.

[oldman]

Originally Posted by Bluecyclone

2015 GT is Gen 1 Coyote, 2016-17 Gen 2, 18 is gen 3. Coyote went from 420 Hp crank gen 1, to 435 Hp crank gen 2. Other internal parts were upgraded as well. Gen 3 is 460 Hp crank DI & port.

seems to be correct.

Originally Posted by Bluecyclone

This is all out of 302 CI.

big deal, internal engine size outside of some limited racing events is a MEANINGLESS statistic. You might as well use other MEANINGLESS statistics: 400% MORE CAMS. 300% more timing chains parts, 600% more timing chain. 250% more valve train parts, on the 3rd gen, 100% more injectors, 200% more valve springs. I could go on.

MEANINGFUL numbers: The Coyote is SIGNIFICANTLY wider and probably heavier: Meaning a higher hood line, much higher center of gravity. A huge negative for handling is that wide top heavy engine to be housed in an engine bay:

“There’s some merit to the Coyote, it obviously is a four-valve engine, it revs very well and responds to boost in a favorable way — but it’s tough to beat an LS when it comes to packaging. I’m not a Ford, or Chevy, or Chrysler guy but when you take an engine that’s 7/8 the size of that package and you can make 75 more cubic inches in it, it probably weighs a little bit less and it makes more power I think that shows it’s a clear winner all the around,”


http://www.chevyhardcore.com/tech-st...the-winner-is/

That is 50 HP and 100 ft-lbs from a significantly smaller LS3 that is also lighter. I'd expect even better results with the LT1.

[BlaqWhole]

Originally Posted by islander033

Typically m6 out traps automagic.

Maybe the a10 is that good?

But, but, trap speed...LOL!!

You better be glad it trapped faster. Because otherwise it would have been a clean sweep performance-wise. In any case, what matters is the amount of time it takes to cross that line. And the Mustang got beaten. And Edmunds tested the SS to run a 12.4 at 115 with the A8. So even with the advantage the GT still managed to come out behind.

Originally Posted by 2Bowties

Dude calm down, the mustang had shitty pirellis and the camaro had f’1’s. Its only one review, dont get all “i told you so’ on us lol! Relax

"But, but, tires"...

Originally Posted by SSfriendly

He gave a big fat "told you so" when someone claimed Evan Smiths run was done removing seats and sway-bar....when in fact it was totally stock.

If the next review comes out and favors the mustang, he will point back to this edmunds review as the limit of the mustangs capability. It's just who he is.

Originally Posted by 2Bowties

Yeah ive noticed.

Yea yea yea...12.6

Originally Posted by SpeedIsLife

Based on my lurking on Mustang6G...there's really no butthurt or screaming. It's far more dramatic here.

Yea because they're all crying and kicking and screaming over here, lol!

[ULTRAZLS1]

The Camaro has those world class run flat tires that come on every SS and the lightning fast and easy to launch m6 that comes in every SS. The mustang really got screwed here

[BlaqWhole]

Originally Posted by oldman

correct...

Where are you guys getting your info from? That is nowhere near correct. I even said it way back then that the Gen 1 Coyote was 2011-2014...Gen 2 Coyote was 2015-2017...Gen 3 Coyote starts in 2018. I mean, do I know more about the Coyote than the Mustang guys here?

[jmackisback]

The excuses are already flowing from the fix or repair daily crowd. At least they didn't disappear this time like after the axle break video.

[SpeedIsLife]

The 2011-2014 5.0's were "Gen 1" Coyotes (with some variations, like the 13's and 14's deleting the oil squiters and a few other small changes resulting in a 420 HP rating).

The 2015-2017 5.0's were "Gen 2" Coyotes, with similarities to both the Roadrunner 5.0 from the Boss 302 and the N/A "CobraJet" 5.0's from the Ford Racing/Ford Performance Cobra Jet NHRA drag cars.

the 2018's are the "Gen 3" which are the most different yet, with nearly everything being reworked or replaced.