[Bosse'sBoss]

The only Mustang that can compete is the overpriced Shelby GT350R with those super expensive carbon wheels and cup tires, beside that they don't have anything that could give a fight to Camaros or Corvettes.

[motorhead]

Originally Posted by Bosse'sBoss

The only Mustang that can compete is the overpriced Shelby GT350R with those super expensive carbon wheels and cup tires, beside that they don't have anything that could give a fight to Camaros or Corvettes.

They are winning in the only statistic that matters. Sales.

[mggeyer]

Why is it that the magazines do not do a straight up comparison between a GT350 and a SS1LE? Both are great cars! The voodoo motor is intoxicating to hear and to drive, the LT1 is just a great pushrod motor with an incredible torque curve. In everything I have read it seems these two cars would almost be identical in lap times but the test NEVER seems to happen. Although both great cars , Im not sure FORD would be too happy if a car costing 15-20 grand less would equal or get exceptionally close to the GT350. The difference bewteen these two cars on the track would be who the driver is. Both cars are fantastic but the SS1LE price advantage would difficult to argue with. Great time to be a car enthusiast with awesome cars like these available. I absolutley love my 1LE and after finally getting to the track at an event I was instructing at I am even more impressed. Has to be one of the easiest cars to drive fast I have ever been in.

[Cgocifer]

Originally Posted by mggeyer

Why is it that the magazines do not do a straight up comparison between a GT350 and a SS1LE? Both are great cars! The voodoo motor is intoxicating to hear and to drive, the LT1 is just a great pushrod motor with an incredible torque curve. In everything I have read it seems these two cars would almost be identical in lap times but the test NEVER seems to happen. Although both great cars , Im not sure FORD would be too happy if a car costing 15-20 grand less would equal or get exceptionally close to the GT350. The difference bewteen these two cars on the track would be who the driver is. Both cars are fantastic but the SS1LE price advantage would difficult to argue with. Great time to be a car enthusiast with awesome cars like these available. I absolutley love my 1LE and after finally getting to the track at an event I was instructing at I am even more impressed. Has to be one of the easiest cars to drive fast I have ever been in.

Because of what you mentioned. Ford would be very upset and magazines don't want to alienate Ford, a major advertiser and provider of test vehicles.

[Detroit Muscle]

This article says it came with optional recaro seats, arent recaros included with the 1LE package??

[Cgocifer]

Originally Posted by Detroit Muscle

This article says it came with optional recaro seats, arent recaros included with the 1LE package??

I posted the same thing a few back. Yes, the 1LE comes with suede Recaros. Also, the author failed to list some key differences between what you get with the 1LE vs. PP1 package: forged wheels vs. Cast aluminum, brembos front and rear vs. Front only, eLSD vs LSD etc.

Tells me he just assumed that the recaros are an option like they are on the mustang. It's unfortunate because that adds yet another tick to the box of bang for the buck compared to the Mustang that readers may not be aware of.

[Detroit Muscle]

Originally Posted by Cgocifer

I posted the same thing a few back. Yes, the 1LE comes with suede Recaros. Also, the author failed to list some key differences between what you get with the 1LE vs. PP1 package: forged wheels vs. Cast aluminum, brembos front and rear vs. Front only, eLSD vs LSD etc.

Tells me he just assumed that the recaros are an option like they are on the mustang. It's unfortunate because that adds yet another tick to the box of bang for the buck compared to the Mustang that readers may not be aware of.

ahh okay, yeah i know for sure man!!

[keon718nyc]

Have any of you actually seen a 18' Mustang GT on the streets? I am still hunting one down for dinner LOL

[Cgocifer]

Originally Posted by TrackClub

Actually at Motor Trend 2016 Best Driver Car comparo an SS 1LE stopped at 94 feet. So the same superman brakes as original. It is a great comparo of a 3 yr old GM design vs a completely refreshed and more expensive Ford design. And no doubt it will be even more $ with pack 2 and perhaps still fall short. Motor Trend did a great job here and got right to the point: GM built a car that competes with a GT4. Ford is still very far behind performance wise with their GT. And that was their point which they articulated in an excellent manner.

There are some PP2 mustangs that have been photographed and posted over at the mustang6g forum showing the window sticker hovering around $54k. Keep in mind in order to get the PP2 package, you must also get the 401A package which is the upgraded premium package with the 12" dash, heated and cooled seats, heated steering wheel, dual zone clinate, and luxury leather. If you don't want the premium GT, you can get a base GT with the PP2 in order to do so, you have to get the 301A package which gives you sync, an 8.5" screen, dual zone climate, drive modes, and a few other upgrades but still has cloth seats. That puts the price around $44k of I remember correctly. Either way, you have to either get the 301A or 401A package to allow you to get the PP2 package.

It works out like this in my observation:

Base GT with PP2 = 1SS 1LE but has cloth seats vs the 1LE which includes suede and leather rear seats, HUD flat bottom steering wheel (neither even mentioned in article), F and R brembos, forged wheels, eLSD, extra coolers, etc... Not sure if recaros are included in PP2.

Premium GT with PP2 = 2SS 1LE. Premium PP2 GT gives lots of leather, upgraded materials, heated and cooled everything, 12" gauge cluster, drive modes, etc but still lacks the eLSD, coolers, rear brembos, etc. Not sure if recaros are included in the PP2.

Either way 1LE wins for value, included equipment, and bang for the buck hands down.

[Detroit Muscle]

Originally Posted by keon718nyc

Have any of you actually seen a 18' Mustang GT on the streets? I am still hunting one down for dinner LOL

I have seen quite a few, but then again I'm from metro Detroit so it makes sense haha

[ST1LE]

I have seen 2 in magnetic, but same road so it may be the same one. Taillights look good, which is what i would be looking at if I messed with on in my stock daily.

[Detroit Muscle]

Originally Posted by ST1LE

I have seen 2 in magnetic, but same road so it may be the same one. Taillights look good, which is what i would be looking at if I messed with on in my stock daily.

yeah honestly its still a S550 so theres not a lot of differences to notice from the naked eye in passing

[FNxR3DNECK]

Originally Posted by mggeyer

Why is it that the magazines do not do a straight up comparison between a GT350 and a SS1LE? Both are great cars! The voodoo motor is intoxicating to hear and to drive, the LT1 is just a great pushrod motor with an incredible torque curve. In everything I have read it seems these two cars would almost be identical in lap times but the test NEVER seems to happen. Although both great cars , Im not sure FORD would be too happy if a car costing 15-20 grand less would equal or get exceptionally close to the GT350. The difference bewteen these two cars on the track would be who the driver is. Both cars are fantastic but the SS1LE price advantage would difficult to argue with. Great time to be a car enthusiast with awesome cars like these available. I absolutley love my 1LE and after finally getting to the track at an event I was instructing at I am even more impressed. Has to be one of the easiest cars to drive fast I have ever been in.

So on this topic you are pretty on point though they (MT or the other automotive reviewers) won't outright admit it. A certain MT employee (I won't name him outright) when asked point blank for an SS 1LE vs. GT350 H2H said the major problem is the price gap. You are talking about $12-15k difference in MSRPs between the two so yes it's a big gap (and that doesn't even account for mark ups on 350s). But what he wouldn't say is what most of us are assuming is that Ford won't provide them a GT350 for a H2H against an SS 1LE because they know what the results would be... Remember at the end of the day the Manufacturer gets to dictate what the reviewers do with their loaners so if Ford doesn't want their beloved GT350 to get slayed they won't allow it to happen, that's why it really bugs me when I see the comments (some on here, but most other places including Mustang6G) like "What is wrong with Motor Trend for putting the 1LE against a PP1?!?! They know it's not a fair fight!". Of course they know it's not a fair fight but they know people want to see Mustang vs. Camaro and this was the best they could do with Ford not wanting to look bad.

[Cgocifer]

Originally Posted by Detroit Muscle

ahh okay, yeah i know for sure man!!

Actually I posted about that recaro issue in the other similar thread not this one. Was hoping I wasn't the only one who caught that.lol