[NovaSS4spdFan]

I'm gonna stick with a stroked 283 for now, but always open to correction.

[NovaSS4spdFan]

It indeed was a 327 block with a 283 crank. You're right. But what continues is the controversy over whether it was a standard 283 crank or one modded by GM just for the 302 ?. Different P.N. ??

[Evergreen6]

The LT1 model is confusing having grown up in the era of the Gen II small-block LT1, 5.7 used in the 4th gen Camaro and late 4th gen Corvette, among others. I'm glad the modern "LT1" (engine) doesn't have an Optispark.

And the fact that there'a 1LT model, don't confuse it with LT1... which I think is dumb anyway, 1LT, 2LT, 1SS, 2SS. "I have a Camaro 2SS!" We're splitting hairs over leather seats and a few options, the car is an SS, or an LT. At least the exterior badges aren't 1SS, 2SS, etc.

On former Camaros the 1LE was silent. No badging. Because that's the spirit of the model.

I kind of wish GM would have called the V6 cars the Camaro Sport Coupe, with the LT1 just being an engine option, making it a V8 Sport Coupe.

LT1 RS is kind of a mouthful. So is SS 1LE.

GM made a beautiful thing complicated. Now get off my lawn!

[LeonardS]

Originally Posted by NovaSS4spdFan

I'm gonna stick with a stroked 283 for now, but always open to correction.

Nope. It was an over bored 283, or a de stroked 327(whichever way you want to look at it). Definitely not a stroked 283. 283’s never had a 4” bore. Look it up. And yes, I own a 302 in my 69 Z.

[NovaSS4spdFan]

Originally Posted by LeonardS

Nope. It was an over bored 283, or a de stroked 327(whichever way you want to look at it). Definitely not a stroked 283. 283’s never had a 4” bore. Look it up. And yes, I own a 302 in my 69 Z.

Leonard :
You jumped the gun. Go back a few posts before your last and you'll see that I said you were right. I assure you it was from memory and not some Google research so you'll just have to accept that we all make mistakes.

[LeonardS]

Originally Posted by NovaSS4spdFan

Leonard :
You jumped the gun. Go back a few posts before your last and you'll see that I said you were right. I assure you it was from memory and not some Google research so you'll just have to accept that we all make mistakes.

No worries! I didn’t see your last post. Have a great day!

[Texas1ss]

Originally Posted by ZR1-OK

It’s a poor man’s SS lol. I loved mine so much I upgraded twice.

This. Lol. I have a 1SS, and some would say I got the "poor man's SS" back in 2016 when I dropped the hammer.
But I got it when '17 was about to drop, and it was 40,500 with NPP exhaust, magnetic ride control, black, with blacked out badges and wheels, M6, a dealer discount of 20 percent to move it brand new. I payed 32k out the door. No complaints.

Heck, some 2SS cars don't even have mag ride or the NPP exhaust. Having driven both, the mag ride Camaros are worth the 1695, I think it was, upgrade. Rides smooth as heck when I want and can stiffen it up when I please.

So being "poor" isn't a bad thing at all. The LT1's are beautiful as well and a hell of a ride. Love em. Shame the Camaro will be no more till its EV counterpart comes out. Sad times.

[Bumbleboy92]

Originally Posted by Texas1ss

This. Lol. I have a 1SS, and some would say I got the "poor man's SS" back in 2016 when I dropped the hammer.
But I got it when '17 was about to drop, and it was 40,500 with NPP exhaust, magnetic ride control, black, with blacked out badges and wheels, M6, a dealer discount of 20 percent to move it brand new. I payed 32k out the door. No complaints.

Heck, some 2SS cars don't even have mag ride or the NPP exhaust. Having driven both, the mag ride Camaros are worth the 1695, I think it was, upgrade. Rides smooth as heck when I want and can stiffen it up when I please.

So being "poor" isn't a bad thing at all. The LT1's are beautiful as well and a hell of a ride. Love em. Shame the Camaro will be no more till its EV counterpart comes out. Sad times.

Not even some, I’d say most 2SS cars don’t have MRC. NPP definitely is slightly more popular but MRC isn’t as easy to find. Take it from a guy that spent the good part of a year searching auctions, cars.com, and Facebook for a car with MRC and NPP

I don’t get the point in ‘trim-shaming’ like a good percentage of people do. I went from a base 1LT with the only option being the v6 and A8 to my current. No regrets on either and I’d probably do it again or even be in the 1LT if it was still around but it’s living it’s new life out in Mexico (thanks for the random updates OnStar LOL)

[Chutzpah]

Originally Posted by Bumbleboy92

Not even some, I’d say most 2SS cars don’t have MRC. NPP definitely is slightly more popular but MRC is isn’t as easy to find. Take it from a guy that spent the good part of a year searching auctions, cars.com, and Facebook for a car with MRC and NPP

I don’t get the point in ‘trim-shaming’ like a good percentage of people do. I went from a base 1LT with the only option being the v6 and A8 to my current. No regrets on either and I’d probably do it again or even be in the 1LT if it was still around but it’s living it’s new life out in Mexico (thanks for the random updates OnStar LOL)

Agree on the trim shaming….I read some of the posts and I just laugh to myself.

[Bumbleboy92]

Originally Posted by Bumbleboy92

Not even some, I’d say most 2SS cars don’t have MRC. NPP definitely is slightly more popular but MRC isn’t as easy to find. Take it from a guy that spent the good part of a year searching auctions, cars.com, and Facebook for a car with MRC and NPP

https://www.camaro6.com/forums/showthread.php?t=620886

Putting the sheet to use again, ~40% of 1SS/2SSs were optioned with MRC and ~72% of them with NPP (numbers will be lower with 2016-2019 data if we had it :L)

[plus1zero]

Originally Posted by Val Walkinshaw

Interesting take.
Do you think more people associate a V8 with the Z28 rather than LT1?

For me, as a 45yo woman, when I think of an LT1 I think small block Chevy (non LS) When I think of Z28 I think RPO code designation/special performance package that means more than just a motor. Similar to modern day 1le, SS, RS, ZL1.

The LT1 motor in the Corvette was called a ZR1 option. 70-72
The LT1 motor in the Camaro was called a Z28 option. 67-74
The LT1 motor in the Nova was called a Yenko Deuce .1970ish

Since 1970 there have been 3 generations of LT motors (LS is a different topic)
70-72 Gen 1 LT1
92-97 Gen 2 LT1
2013-current Gen 5 LT1

I think the z/28 name with the Camaro is just synonymous that everybody knows. It's never been consistent with how it was used, but in the 5th gen, the Z/28 was the stripped car with the 427. Seems like everybody now is more familiar with the 1LT trim versus the LT1 engine, so I thought having a z/28 moniker to end the V8 run on their cheapest V8 option would be a nice nod to the branding, especially when they mostly look like a V6. It's rare to see an LT1 in the wild by comparison, and most that see them will think they're a V6 at first glance.

[plus1zero]

Originally Posted by Bumbleboy92

Not even some, I’d say most 2SS cars don’t have MRC. NPP definitely is slightly more popular but MRC isn’t as easy to find. Take it from a guy that spent the good part of a year searching auctions, cars.com, and Facebook for a car with MRC and NPP

I don’t get the point in ‘trim-shaming’ like a good percentage of people do. I went from a base 1LT with the only option being the v6 and A8 to my current. No regrets on either and I’d probably do it again or even be in the 1LT if it was still around but it’s living it’s new life out in Mexico (thanks for the random updates OnStar LOL)

Most dealers don't even know what MRC is on the camaro. The second SS I bought had NPP/MRC, but I didn't know if it had MRC at first. Asked the dealer and they said it was only an option on the corvette. When I test drove it, I found the options in the radio along with seeing MRC/NPP optioned on the window sticker.

[Texas1ss]

Originally Posted by Bumbleboy92

Not even some, I’d say most 2SS cars don’t have MRC. NPP definitely is slightly more popular but MRC isn’t as easy to find. Take it from a guy that spent the good part of a year searching auctions, cars.com, and Facebook for a car with MRC and NPP

I hear you, Bumbleboy92. I've been looking for the same spec as my 2016 in a 2024 with MRC and NPP in a 1SS or 2SS variant. I could do without the NPP, but the MRC is the one thing that's been holding me up. I found the exact spec as my 2016, M6, black, black wheels, with NPP, but no MRC. I almost bought it, and kind of wished I did. But it sold quick.

Damn thing just rides so smooth, though. I didn't option that on the car, but after having it don't know how I'd like the non MRC ride.

[Texas1ss]

Originally Posted by Bumbleboy92

https://www.camaro6.com/forums/showthread.php?t=620886

Putting the sheet to use again, ~40% of 1SS/2SSs were optioned with MRC and ~72% of them with NPP (numbers will be lower with 2016-2019 data if we had it :L)

Thanks for the listing, Bumbleboy92. I didn't realize they were that low in production on the MRC. Explains why it's so damn hard for me to find one now. It's like trying to find a needle in a haystack at this point.