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I get what you are saying. You are the type of guy that probably lights the warranty on fire. I am getting this car to do a certain thing (drag, rod race, auto x, hpde, car show etc). 700whp out of an LSA is pretty much a phone call away and some dyno time. Tires and wheels and brakes. Then the time spent to dial it all in. There was that Pedders Camaro at 1 lap. DSE has built a Camaro. How would those hold up to the Z/28? It all depends on what you want. If you have the 75k sitting around and want to be racing come May. Buy the Z/28. If you would rather build something at your own pace and learn the car inside and out - Buy an SS or 1LE or ZL1. I think GM originally thought it was going to use the Z/28 to be the GT500 fighter. Then set its eyes on bigger fish and decided to green light an all out car to hunt them down. Seeing how many Porsche guys pop up here - id say they succeeded |
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04-04-2014, 02:33 PM | #30 |
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Awesome article. Z/28 was made for a purpose and its a "relative" bargain for the results. Unfortunately this "relative" would be about as far away as me being related to Kim Jong Un
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04-04-2014, 03:27 PM | #31 |
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IMO you're either a ZL1 guy (gal) or a Z/28 guy (gal). Everyone has their own reasons and you won't convince them otherwise.
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With that being said spending $17,000 on a ZL1 Camaro may net you a faster car and then it may not depends on what you spend it on and what track you are on. |
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04-04-2014, 09:39 PM | #33 |
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and yes, I am the kind of guy that basically lights the factory warranty on fire... because if I want a modded car, I will just make a modded car and deal with the consequences.
for me, I think I would find it enjoyable to build up a ZL1 to do track duties... bigger intercooler, better exhaust and porting and polishing on those heads, combined with upgrading the brakes, tires and maybe some lighter rims, I think I would be around $10,000 in mods... and have a car that could not only keep up with the Z/28 (keep in mind that I'm an ex SCCA competition license carrying driver) but also keep up with the Porsches and other exotics and all in a vehicle that I could dial in the magnetic ride mode to soft and comfortable and drive home in my auto equipped ZL1 while making funny faces at my daughter in the rear view mirror as she giggles in the back seat but I will agree that the Z/28 is a better starting point if you're looking for a real track car... because the things they put into the Z/28 from the factory... they just haven't done anything like that since the original RPO cars from the '60s and '70s.
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Go further back to the early 80's when the Z28 had 145 hp and no handling whatsoever. Owning a Z28 PaceCar thought I was a cool kid. lol but used to drool like crazy over the Porsches and other Exotics. FF Still love the Porsche but drooling a bit more over the Z28. Man things have come along way. After blowing the engine just sold supercharger and they picked up the car this morning. Building a forged NA engine for road course and street use. With all the money tied up in this thing could have had a Z28 and more tires. lol It's never going to be a Z28 but hopefully will sneak up on a few people out there
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04-06-2014, 05:51 PM | #35 |
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Sweet. Still I'd probably the take the GT3, or wait until the new GT3RS, that will be some more comparable competition, the Z/28 feels more like an RS where as the GT3 is more similar to a 1LE (more like halfway between the 1LE and the ZL1).
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04-06-2014, 07:06 PM | #36 |
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And what's the price of that?
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04-06-2014, 07:26 PM | #37 |
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Conveniently omitted
Also neglected to mention that GT3's still don't roam in the wild because of the quarantine for throwing rods through their crankcases
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04-06-2014, 07:33 PM | #38 |
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As I suspected.
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very good read.
whats amazing is that the GT3 put down that lap time without stripping down like the Z/28 did. thats a seriously fast car. but its awesome that the Z can hang with it. cant wait to see one of these in person. |
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Difference is that the GT3/Carrera base chassis is strong and light through extensive use of high end alloys, and the prices of these cars reflects the engineering/materials used in them. The Camaro's chassis OTOH has much humbler beginnings, and of course physically much larger. 3800lbs v. 3200lbs is a WORLD of difference. Coupled with better aero, lighter weight, and an under rated 475 hp (some reports have it just under 500 hp) no wonder why it's faster down the straights. To me the notable part of the story is that the the Camaro sticks better in the corners. While a lot of credit goes to the huge 305 hoosier-like shoes, it is interesting to note that the Camaro shines in transitions, where you would think it's fat-kid weight would make it feel ponderous and bloated. But the reviews say otherwise. Amazing.
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