Shno's House of Z

[Number 3]

Visibility and open feel have been a constant complaint in the reviews and a constant point of discussion on Camaro6.

[Mr. Wyndham]

I just had a thought.....

Hellcat is pushing 707 hp....Ford claims their GT500 will have more than that....And here is the ZL1 sitting with a "mere" (I can't believe I just said that) 640hp. Chevy has sat back and let the others play with hp before...because our cars can put it to the ground with superior chassis tuning, and it didn't really matter beyond bragging rights. But what if they chose to play that hp game?

What if the Z/28 is released with the LT4 as it's engine in excess-cooling ZL1 body, and a DSSV-esque chassis....and at the same time the ZL1 is upgraded with a more powerful new engine out of the not-yet-existant ZR1 Corvette....bigger supercharger, more power....

[PYROLYSIS]

Originally Posted by Mr. Wyndham

I just had a thought.....

Hellcat is pushing 707 hp....Ford claims their GT500 will have more than that....And here is the ZL1 sitting with a "mere" (I can't believe I just said that) 640hp. Chevy has sat back and let the others play with hp before...because our cars can put it to the ground with superior chassis tuning, and it didn't really matter beyond bragging rights. But what if they chose to play that hp game?

What if the Z/28 is released with the LT4 as it's engine in excess-cooling ZL1 body, and a DSSV-esque chassis....and at the same time the ZL1 is upgraded with a more powerful new engine out of the not-yet-existant ZR1 Corvette....bigger supercharger, more power....

As a Camaro enthusiast It would be nice to see GM go for HP numbers. In reality the ZL1 should easily handle the Hellcat with the 10 speed auto. I guess Ford is who we should be worried about. Are the GT500 rumors pretty strong? Have any prototypes been spotted? I doubt there is a GM engine more powerful than the LT4 waiting in the wings but you never know. I think we are reaching a ceiling in regards to acceleration and power. The newest challenges would be putting the power to the ground and keeping power levels up in the face of emissions restrictions. Handling seems to be showing the most innovation in recent years so we should expect that to continue to improve. Who could afford a 900 HP Camaro? Have you seen the price of a 2SS? It would be fun to read about and discuss though.

[2cnd chance]

Originally Posted by PYROLYSIS

As a Camaro enthusiast It would be nice to see GM go for HP numbers. In reality the ZL1 should easily handle the Hellcat with the 10 speed auto. I guess Ford is who we should be worried about. Are the GT500 rumors pretty strong? Have any prototypes been spotted? I doubt there is a GM engine more powerful than the LT4 waiting in the wings but you never know. I think we are reaching a ceiling in regards to acceleration and power. The newest challenges would be putting the power to the ground and keeping power levels up in the face of emissions restrictions. Handling seems to be showing the most innovation in recent years so we should expect that to continue to improve. Who could afford a 900 HP Camaro? Have you seen the price of a 2SS? It would be fun to read about and discuss though.

Power...that's my dilemma right now. Just how usable is the 650 HP of the LT4. I'm looking at the GS vs Z06. Will I want/need the extra 200 HP? The problem is that there is no test driving the car on the road, making it hard to make the decision.

[qnitro]

As a Guy who has a Zr1 with 740 rwhp and a 2015 Z/28 bone stock, I can tell you HP doesnt always lead to better street/strip racing. the ZR1 is a beast, I have to really watch my throttle and clutch and with the Z/28 it seems to be just about right. I think My Z/28 shines in the twisties over my Zr1, because now there is just to much HP(did I really just say that) for corners, with the 19/20 tire combo I have on. I think build a 6thgen Z/28, NA @ 600 and compete head to head with the GT350R, and than build a special edition ZL1, GT500 Killer, a 427CI SC would do just fine..

[Bhobbs]

Grand Sport coupe priced at $66,450. Vert is $4k more. About what I expected.

[Number 3]

Which says GM is pricing the LT4 at $14,000.

So an SS with 6 pot brakes and an LT4 is $66,000 for a ZL1......or thereabouts

[Bhobbs]

Originally Posted by Number 3

Which says GM is pricing the LT4 at $14,000.

So an SS with 6 pot brakes and an LT4 is $66,000 for a ZL1......or thereabouts

You can buy a crate LT4 for less than $13k off Jegs right now. I'm sure the Z06 has the halo tax on it, along with the LT4 price.

[Number 3]

Originally Posted by Bhobbs

You can buy a crate LT4 for less than $13k off Jegs right now. I'm sure the Z06 has the halo tax on it, along with the LT4 price.

I think there is price of the engine and price of the engine in a car.

$14,000 lines with the difference between a CTS V-Sport and CTS-V

[Bhobbs]

Originally Posted by Number 3

I think there is price of the engine and price of the engine in a car.

$14,000 lines with the difference between a CTS V-Sport and CTS-V

Doesn't the V get some structural upgrades and stuff like that over the V-Sport?

[Mr. Wyndham]

Originally Posted by Number 3

Which says GM is pricing the LT4 at $14,000.

So an SS with 6 pot brakes and an LT4 is $66,000 for a ZL1......or thereabouts

??

2SS (41905) + Brakes (3000) and LT4 (14,000) = 58905?

Once you add in the interior upgrades, eDiff, MR, exhaust, and other changes to make the ZL1 what it is...this math could have it exceed $68-$70k starting price. I just think that's too high.

[Bhobbs]

Originally Posted by Mr. Wyndham

I think that's too high. It's just too much of a jump over the last gen ZL1. Z06 didn't jump that much when they redesigned. Nor did the Stingray, or Camaro SS.

Cadillac has stated that they've artificially raised their prices, so I can't really consider them into my math anymore...

The difference is the last ZL1 didn't have the premium engine in it. This one does, so the price will reflect that. Sure, the CTS-V had the LSA, also but, as you said, they inflated their prices too.

I think jumping the ZL1 price $10k would be a mistake, unless they were clearing way for the Z/28 to slot beneath it.

[Mr. Wyndham]

Originally Posted by Bhobbs

The difference is the last ZL1 didn't have the premium engine in it. This one does, so the price will reflect that. Sure, the CTS-V had the LSA, also but, as you said, they inflated their prices too.

I think jumping the ZL1 price $10k would be a mistake, unless they were clearing way for the Z/28 to slot beneath it.

A good point, but the LT4 only costs a grand (crate engine) more than the LSA that was in the previous car. In contrast...the LT1 is about 4k more than the LS3. So it's not nearly that "premium"...

If GM was able to stomach the upgrade to the LT1 in the SS models, maybe they can figure out the LT4, too....

[Number 3]

Doesn't the ZL1 start as a 2SS? Didn't realize you could get one as a 1SS. Looking at the Chevy website and pricing one it seems to be a 2SS to start.

I think starting with a 1SS is not going to happen this time either. I would assume fully loaded like the current car.