[Need4Camaro]

I know a refresh is coming next year, but do you think we have atleast another 5 years before they change the chassis and make something else? I'm hoping we do because I want to buy a brand new SS before they change it.

I actually have the capability of doing that now but I'm trying to hold off till 2019 / 2020, in the mean time my reserve money is going on my 99 Z28, building a 700 HP machine and its constantly a mental battle as to which one I really want more, a 700 HP 4th Gen or a bolton's 6th Gen SS. I can't make up my mind. I have already installed a Finish Line Transmission 4L60E capable of supporting ~ 800 HP in her. I intend on installing a Hawks 8.8" Rear and then upgrade / forge and super charging the motor and refreshing the rest of the car.

I love my 4th Gen but god I love the 6th Gen SS as well.

If I get one now, I would likely have to trade by my V6 and my Z28 to get it, I could "possibly" get away without trading the Z28 if I waited till the middle of the year but the V6 would have to go. If I wait then I could literally sport 3 Camaro's.

[Martinjlm]

In the auto industry you have PLATFORMS and you have PROGRAMS. Typically an automaker tries to get at least 2 PROGRAMS per PLATFORM. PROGRAMS usually continue for 3 - 4 years until they are refreshed with a new PROGRAM.

Alpha Camaro (not to be confused with Alpha ATS or Alpha CTS) is a PLATFORM. 2016 - 2018 Camaro is a PROGRAM. 2019 - whenever Camaro is a PROGRAM, and will be the 2nd PROGRAM on the Alpha Camaro PLATFORM. Expect it to last at least 3 or 4 years.

During that time, General Motors will make decisions on whether Alpha (including Camaro, ATS and CTS) will undergo change, be replaced by another architecture, continue on as is, or drop. Anyone telling you they know which path GM will take beyond the 3-4 year run of the 2019 refresh of Alpha Camaro is blowing smoke, because none of that will have been decided at this point.

So basically, from the launch of the 2019 refresh, you have 3 - 4 years of Camaro being pretty much what it is, with some model year tweaks.

Hope that helps answer your question.

[Johnny2343]

I’d say until the 7th comes out

[Martinjlm]

Originally Posted by Johnny2343

I’d say until the 7th comes out

You're assuming a 7th gen is coming. Maybe is...maybe not. Unknown and unknowable at this time.

[LuvMI]

Originally Posted by Martinjlm

In the auto industry you have PLATFORMS and you have PROGRAMS. Typically an automaker tries to get at least 2 PROGRAMS per PLATFORM. PROGRAMS usually continue for 3 - 4 years until they are refreshed with a new PROGRAM.

Alpha Camaro (not to be confused with Alpha ATS or Alpha CTS) is a PLATFORM. 2016 - 2018 Camaro is a PROGRAM. 2019 - whenever Camaro is a PROGRAM, and will be the 2nd PROGRAM on the Alpha Camaro PLATFORM. Expect it to last at least 3 or 4 years.

During that time, General Motors will make decisions on whether Alpha (including Camaro, ATS and CTS) will undergo change, be replaced by another architecture, continue on as is, or drop. Anyone telling you they know which path GM will take beyond the 3-4 year run of the 2019 refresh of Alpha Camaro is blowing smoke, because none of that will have been decided at this point.

So basically, from the launch of the 2019 refresh, you have 3 - 4 years of Camaro being pretty much what it is, with some model year tweaks.

Hope that helps answer your question.

Love it! Thanks!

[greaser2]

They may skip 7th and go right to 10th

[Zack46]

Originally Posted by greaser2

They may skip 7th and go right to 10th

[Mr. Wyndham]

Originally Posted by Martinjlm

You're assuming a 7th gen is coming. Maybe is...maybe not. Unknown and unknowable at this time.

Oh, I'm sure someone in that 5-pillared Renn Cen knows.

My bet is on "yes". There's been far too much good press about their excellence in engineering coming out of the Camaro. They just need to keep pushing the envelope for performance, and figure out how to bump sales back up...That'll be the 7th gen.

[Martinjlm]

Originally Posted by Mr. Wyndham

Oh, I'm sure someone in that 5-pillared Renn Cen knows.

My bet is on "yes". There's been far too much good press about their excellence in engineering coming out of the Camaro. They just need to keep pushing the envelope for performance, and figure out how to bump sales back up...That'll be the 7th gen.

Even though some programs are more likely to continue than others, every program has to earn its way into the portfolio. I’ve seen some very surprising program drops in my days. And I’ve seen some programs killed, revived and even killed again.

In 2018, the portfolio for 2022-23 is NOT set in stone. Whether or not there is a 7th Gen Camaro isn’t determined yet. The Camaro Team probably has some good ideas of what they want it to be, but until Portfolio Planning gets a plan approved and funded by top leadership, it’s not a program.

[Need4Camaro]

Originally Posted by Martinjlm

In the auto industry you have PLATFORMS and you have PROGRAMS. Typically an automaker tries to get at least 2 PROGRAMS per PLATFORM. PROGRAMS usually continue for 3 - 4 years until they are refreshed with a new PROGRAM.

Alpha Camaro (not to be confused with Alpha ATS or Alpha CTS) is a PLATFORM. 2016 - 2018 Camaro is a PROGRAM. 2019 - whenever Camaro is a PROGRAM, and will be the 2nd PROGRAM on the Alpha Camaro PLATFORM. Expect it to last at least 3 or 4 years.

During that time, General Motors will make decisions on whether Alpha (including Camaro, ATS and CTS) will undergo change, be replaced by another architecture, continue on as is, or drop. Anyone telling you they know which path GM will take beyond the 3-4 year run of the 2019 refresh of Alpha Camaro is blowing smoke, because none of that will have been decided at this point.

So basically, from the launch of the 2019 refresh, you have 3 - 4 years of Camaro being pretty much what it is, with some model year tweaks.

Hope that helps answer your question.

Definitely ... although ... this did spring up another question... When you mentioned Alpha Camaro and Alpha ATS and Alpha CTS, I have always been under the presumption that the Camaro and ATS shared the same chassis. Am I incorrect? Also is this implying that the 2 door CTS and Camaro chassis are also similar?

[marknagy13]

19/20 will probably be refresh years and then 21 may be new. At the earliest 2020 just because it's a decade number.

[Bongos2U]

Originally Posted by Martinjlm

Even though some programs are more likely to continue than others, every program has to earn its way into the portfolio. I’ve seen some very surprising program drops in my days. And I’ve seen some programs killed, revived and even killed again.

In 2018, the portfolio for 2022-23 is NOT set in stone. Whether or not there is a 7th Gen Camaro isn’t determined yet. The Camaro Team probably has some good ideas of what they want it to be, but until Portfolio Planning gets a plan approved and funded by top leadership, it’s not a program.

It's funny...I am of the opinion that GM will become the laughing stock of the automotive world if they kill the Camaro (again). Mustang has been in continuous production since the '60s.

However, Ford's new CEO has cancelled the S650 program, and doesn't seem that interested in the Mustang's legacy. We'll see what happens in the coming years with Mustang.

[camaro5]

With front engine Corvette production ending in 2021, you can bet there will be a 2022 7th gen Camaro.

Originally Posted by Tran

6th gen Camaro production will go until September 2021. That is all.

[Number 3]

More likely it's 3 years (16, 17 and 18) on the first introduction and then 3 more (19, 20 and 21) for the refresh.

If there isn't at least another refresh in 22 (I would expect a major) something really bad in happening in the industry.

Keep in mind the 2nd Generation Alpha (A2xx) prototypes have now been spotted in the wild, which starts the 80 week clock (or so, the Camaro was a bit quicker) to launch.

Cadillac President has already said the ATS goes to something smaller and the CTS will now be a proper E Class, 5 Series competitor, meaning it won't try to be the bigger car made from a smaller architecture. It's currently handicapped and hopefully the A2xx addresses these. Now what the ATS comes from, who knows. There was a 2 month study before the ATS was a go program to take it off a modified Delta architecture. So it's not clear what the ATS comes off of. It may simply be off the Bolt and give Cadillac a true EV. It probably wouldn't sell worse as bad as ATS sales are.

As good as the A1xx architecture is, every car built off of it is selling like crap and the Camaro is outselling ATS and CTS combined...........times 2. Alpha has not been profitable for GM.

I think someone posted a 2019 outlook and it only had an ATS Coupe in the plan. Not sure that's true or will happen but would indicate GM taking a different direction with the ATS Sedan.

And the industry is in the earliest stages of a huge change in propulsion and vehicle operation. If there isn't money to be made in a Gen7 Camaro, there won't be one. GM is only under one obligation..........make money. And if that happens to be in autonomous EVs then that's where the money will get spent.

Doesn't mean the Camaro wouldn't continue, it would just end significant investment leaving the car fundamentally as is even longer.

But my hopeful prediction would be 2022 as things are going.

But if we look at the Gen5, it had two years of refreshes. 2013 for the Interior and 2014 for the exterior. Typically those would be done in one year. So the 14 exterior refresh lasted only two model years. So maybe 2021 off of A2xx.