GT500 700+ hp - Page 3

Can'tHave2MuchHP · 01-16-2018, 12:41 PM

This is going to be a repeat of last gen pony cars, mark my words. And Chevy will not drop the LT5 into a Camaro. Nor will they up the power to compete with their competition. They don't do that, never have, never will. They put out a product and sit on it for the few model years they need and then move on to a new gen. Besides, Re-R&Ding a setup on the same chassis/body/tech doesn't make much sense anyway. And pulleying the LT4 is out of the question from the factory; they could never have that under a warranty without over heating problems and other stuff that wasn't engineered into it to meet the 100,000+ mile expectation people have of the Big 3's performance cars.

I fully expect that the ZL1 will be the slowest in a straight line in this gen, just like it was last gen. It already doesn't beat/hardly ties, the last gen competitors (662 HP GT500 and Hellcat, both will hang right with it or narrowly beat it transmission to transmission). Typical Chevy.

kttxz06 · 01-16-2018, 03:17 PM

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Originally Posted by dw760

Im sure the 2019 GT-500 will be competitive and a great car, other than Ford dealers think the cars are Gold and mark them up $15 to $25K.

For that reason alone they can keep it, and i will always own a Camaro SS 1LE or the Zl1.

DW

Which is why I now have a Zl1. I was trying to buy a Super Snake, but everyone wanted $100k. I fkn laughed my arse off and said, I could go get another GTR at that price point.

I even looked online again last night as I'm looking to add another 2nd muscle car to my garage next to my Zl1 and I like the Super Snake, but nope, still $100k. These dealerships are stoned out of their ever loving mind.

Blackdevil77 · 01-16-2018, 03:59 PM

This is what I was harping about a few months back when I mentioned Chevy always seems to be a generation behind the competition. The 6th gen ZL1 now competes (acceleration wise at least) with the older GT500 (2013/2014) and the Hellcat. All Chevy has to do to shut everyone up and whoop the competition in every way is drop an LT5 into the Camaro. But they just won't...

Can'tHave2MuchHP · 01-16-2018, 04:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Blackdevil77

This is what I was harping about a few months back when I mentioned Chevy always seems to be a generation behind the competition. The 6th gen ZL1 now competes (acceleration wise at least) with the older GT500 (2013/2014) and the Hellcat. All Chevy has to do to shut everyone up and whoop the competition in every way is drop an LT5 into the Camaro. But they just won't...

We agree completely.

BlaqWhole · 01-16-2018, 04:49 PM

A10 ZL1 to A8 HC stock for stock down to the tire and the ZL1 will win in the quarter mile.

hashtag · 01-16-2018, 05:15 PM

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Originally Posted by URBAN LEGEND

I bet someone went to dealer this morning to put money down on this car. Their dream car.

Yea the 20 YO who one the sole 420 million PowerBall Jackpot last week.

URBAN LEGEND · 01-16-2018, 05:19 PM

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Originally Posted by hashtag

Yea the 20 YO who one the sole 420 million PowerBall Jackpot last week.

Saw that on the news. Good day for him.

Realist · 01-16-2018, 05:57 PM

I have to be honest, I like the style of the new Mustang and have always liked the GT500 looks. Not so much in the performance arena because I prefer a track with turns. That said if the new 1 actual does perform on the track I would be interested if the price was reasonable. That said, we know even if the msrp is $75000, you won’t get your hands on short of $100k, I’m leaning closer to $125k for the first year Some here wouldn’t blink at that number. For me, after giving my right leg and both arms to afford, I couldn’t even drive it. I’ll gladly take a ZL1, if I win the lotto I would check out the 500.

jimbo11 · 01-16-2018, 06:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Can'tHave2MuchHP

This is going to be a repeat of last gen pony cars, mark my words. And Chevy will not drop the LT5 into a Camaro. Nor will they up the power to compete with their competition. They don't do that, never have, never will. They put out a product and sit on it for the few model years they need and then move on to a new gen. Besides, Re-R&Ding a setup on the same chassis/body/tech doesn't make much sense anyway. And pulleying the LT4 is out of the question from the factory; they could never have that under a warranty without over heating problems and other stuff that wasn't engineered into it to meet the 100,000+ mile expectation people have of the Big 3's performance cars.

I fully expect that the ZL1 will be the slowest in a straight line in this gen, just like it was last gen. It already doesn't beat/hardly ties, the last gen competitors (662 HP GT500 and Hellcat, both will hang right with it or narrowly beat it transmission to transmission). Typical Chevy.

I must be missing something: straight line: Current Gen - HC vs ZL1 (lets call it a draw). ZL1 vs GT350 (not even close). Demon at 90Kish depending on ADM doesn't really compare at 30K more). ZL1 vs 2019 GT500 (we have no idea, its probably 18+ months away). Why so much hating on the ZL1? The beast runs right with the HC and demolishes it at the track. The ZL1 1LE demolishes the GT350R in straight line and track , and can be had for less $$. I say keep up the great work Chevy!

96MrBass · 01-16-2018, 06:19 PM

I'd like to see some kind of ZL1 limited run with the possible up coming drag performance package.
I think with even just a little torque management lifted and not even a significant hp bump the Z is right in there again.

96MrBass · 01-16-2018, 06:27 PM

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Originally Posted by jimbo11

I must be missing something: straight line: Current Gen - HC vs ZL1 (lets call it a draw). ZL1 vs GT350 (not even close). Demon at 90Kish depending on ADM doesn't really compare at 30K more). ZL1 vs 2019 GT500 (we have no idea, its probably 18+ months away). Why so much hating on the ZL1? The beast runs right with the HC and demolishes it at the track. The ZL1 1LE demolishes the GT350R in straight line and track , and can be had for less $$. I say keep up the great work Chevy!

Agree. It seems it's always down in hp to it's rivals and has been for a few years now but right in there in straight line performance. Imo just show's how it uses it's power better. Says a lot about the tech of the car. Kind Davey and Goliath like lol.

Badgerbimmer · 01-16-2018, 06:40 PM

The gen 6 camaro goes around a corner much better. Doesn't take a whole lot of engineering to go in a straight line fast. Can't get my head around the folks that think a car that goes in a straight line fast is a car worth owning......

carguy55 · 01-16-2018, 06:43 PM

probably only 20-30K ADM, can't wait

2011shelby · 01-16-2018, 07:00 PM

If the new GT500 comes out as an 2019 model wouldn’t it actually have a 3rd quarter 2018 release?
Unless the first run is a short one.

01-16-2018, 06:19 PM	#38
96MrBass Drives: GM Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Marydel, DE Posts: 1,321	I'd like to see some kind of ZL1 limited run with the possible up coming drag performance package. I think with even just a little torque management lifted and not even a significant hp bump the Z is right in there again. __________________ Roto- Fab Cai, SLP 1 3/4" headers, 3"X pipe, LM2 cat back, Comp Cam & AI Heads, SLP UP, RPM Tuned, GPI Intake, Vmax TB, ADM Air Scoop, 3.91 Gears, Gforce driveshaft, Braille 21#, Elite Catch Can, Pfadt Tie Rods, Diff Bushings and Trailing arms, Eibach spings & sways, BMR cradle bushings, Nt555r's.

01-16-2018, 12:41 PM	#29
Can'tHave2MuchHP Drives: Fast Join Date: Mar 2015 Location: Michigan Posts: 3,696	This is going to be a repeat of last gen pony cars, mark my words. And Chevy will not drop the LT5 into a Camaro. Nor will they up the power to compete with their competition. They don't do that, never have, never will. They put out a product and sit on it for the few model years they need and then move on to a new gen. Besides, Re-R&Ding a setup on the same chassis/body/tech doesn't make much sense anyway. And pulleying the LT4 is out of the question from the factory; they could never have that under a warranty without over heating problems and other stuff that wasn't engineered into it to meet the 100,000+ mile expectation people have of the Big 3's performance cars. I fully expect that the ZL1 will be the slowest in a straight line in this gen, just like it was last gen. It already doesn't beat/hardly ties, the last gen competitors (662 HP GT500 and Hellcat, both will hang right with it or narrowly beat it transmission to transmission). Typical Chevy.

01-16-2018, 03:59 PM	#31
Blackdevil77 Drives: 2008 Pontiac G8 GT, Shelby GT500 Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Long Island, New York Posts: 1,376	This is what I was harping about a few months back when I mentioned Chevy always seems to be a generation behind the competition. The 6th gen ZL1 now competes (acceleration wise at least) with the older GT500 (2013/2014) and the Hellcat. All Chevy has to do to shut everyone up and whoop the competition in every way is drop an LT5 into the Camaro. But they just won't...

01-16-2018, 04:49 PM	#33
BlaqWhole Account Suspended Drives: 2017 Camaro ZL1 A10 Join Date: May 2012 Location: NJ Posts: 7,692	A10 ZL1 to A8 HC stock for stock down to the tire and the ZL1 will win in the quarter mile.

01-16-2018, 05:57 PM	#36
Realist Drives: No Camaro :( Join Date: Apr 2013 Location: Chitown Burbs Posts: 1,136	I have to be honest, I like the style of the new Mustang and have always liked the GT500 looks. Not so much in the performance arena because I prefer a track with turns. That said if the new 1 actual does perform on the track I would be interested if the price was reasonable. That said, we know even if the msrp is $75000, you won’t get your hands on short of $100k, I’m leaning closer to $125k for the first year Some here wouldn’t blink at that number. For me, after giving my right leg and both arms to afford, I couldn’t even drive it. I’ll gladly take a ZL1, if I win the lotto I would check out the 500.

01-16-2018, 06:40 PM	#40
Badgerbimmer Drives: ZL1 A10 Join Date: Dec 2017 Location: Wisconsin Posts: 306	The gen 6 camaro goes around a corner much better. Doesn't take a whole lot of engineering to go in a straight line fast. Can't get my head around the folks that think a car that goes in a straight line fast is a car worth owning......

01-16-2018, 06:43 PM	#41
carguy55 Drives: 2018 1SS 1LE Join Date: Feb 2017 Location: Austin, Texas Posts: 1,486 View My Garage	probably only 20-30K ADM, can't wait

01-16-2018, 07:00 PM	#42
2011shelby Drives: 2011ShelbyGT500 Join Date: Jan 2014 Location: Louisiana Posts: 293	If the new GT500 comes out as an 2019 model wouldn’t it actually have a 3rd quarter 2018 release? Unless the first run is a short one.