12-30-2017, 08:37 AM | #113 |
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+1 Unfortunately this issue made me buy me something other than the ZL1.
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12-30-2017, 09:39 AM | #114 |
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The response to this issue from GM, including a non-response, will determine if I keep mine I think. This wears on me more and more each day. What I'm wondering though, if the launch/bog issue wasn't present, but the car was only capable of achieving what it does with the bog, would that then be an issue for me or if it's only the perception that something is missing that is causing me (us) stress...
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12-30-2017, 09:51 AM | #115 | |
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Since the '18 ZL1 1LE I was going to buy arrived with quality issues, I'm back in the market for another car. I'm certainly considering a Z06 especially after the recent factory upgrades. I have read that the paint quality is much better.
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12-31-2017, 10:41 AM | #116 |
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If we can get this question geared towards the launch issue in the ZL1, as in, simply leaving a stop sign or light, I would be greatly in support of it.
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12-31-2017, 08:27 PM | #117 |
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I too am a life long NHRA Racer/GM Engine/GM Chassis Builder and I echo your VERY VALID SENTIMENTS. I didn't spend $80,000 to have a differentially lagging launch between the "1LE EXTREME TRACK OPTIONED" Manual and Automatic version of the same Gen6 Camaro. Obviously the Nurburgring Record Setting 1LE had ZERO Software issues right??? I hope someone at GM does the right thing. P/H |
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12-31-2017, 10:29 PM | #119 | |
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01-01-2018, 04:36 PM | #120 |
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I'm in! +1
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01-04-2018, 09:55 AM | #121 |
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01-09-2018, 11:27 AM | #122 |
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Bump for the next ask al
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01-13-2018, 08:17 AM | #123 |
I'm assuming the "Bogging" for the m6 is so when people dump the clutch there isn't full power to the transmission and clutch. This can't be good for all the components. GM put this safety feature in trying to save on warranty work.
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01-13-2018, 06:33 PM | #124 | |
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Surely the M6 Z06 would have similar warranty/drivetrain protection concerns, and that car clearly does not have the same problem. The fact that the A10 runs the 1/4 mile almost a second faster is also a pretty good indication of a problem. Wouldn't GM want to protect the A10's drivetrain too? Obviously the A10 is expected to perform much better on the strip, but come on. The difference between these two configurations is excessive. A good driver with an A8 SS will consistently beat an excellent driver with the M6 ZL1 on the strip. And that's with nearly 200 less horsepower!! Also, in order for this to truly be a beneficial drivetrain protection mechanism at work, it'd need to somehow reduce the shock on the drivetrain when the clutch is released. However, this isn't what happens. The clutch is released, the surge of power passes from the engine to the wheels and THEN the engine boggs. At this point the damage is done. IMO, the "bogging" happens when the car is trying to help the driver maintain control. Unfortunately, it's tuned poorly. The car seems quick to remove power. When it removes power, it removes too much... And then, it's very slow to give the power back. Also, I believe the fact that GM is using a PERCENTAGE for their wheel slip metric is working against them at very low speeds...i.e., when launch control is needed most. Sorry for the rant, but I don't believe for a minute this was intentional. If it were intentional GM's advertised 1/4 mile time for the car would be calculated accordingly. In its current configuration, it's nearly impossible to achieve the advertised 11.8 in the M6 ZL1.
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01-15-2018, 03:40 PM | #125 |
+1. I’m doing everything right but it boggs and shudders instead launch. Even if I try to keep the RPMs up it will pop and backfire. Getting desperate.
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01-15-2018, 04:13 PM | #126 |
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This is so annoying to have to deal with on a daily driver!
Any progress from GM? It is not just a track issue, it is also a safety concern as the car boggles down every time you stop on traffic or at a stop light. People might thing I am trying to show off when RPM (uncommanded) spikes back up like I was a retarded kid driving his turbo Scooby! :-/
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