Electric Vehicles

[Martinjlm]

Originally Posted by olrocker

Not to be knit-picky, but GM is the brand. Chevrolet is a division.

If you compare brands GM outsells Tesla by a boatload.

Absolutely wrong sir. Chevrolet is the brand. General Motors is the corporation. If you measure by corporations, General Motors outsells Tesla by a boatload. Consumers buy brands, not corporations.

Just like Lamborghini is the brand but Volkswagen is the corporation. I could go on with more examples, but I trust you get the point.

[olrocker]

Originally Posted by Martinjlm

Absolutely wrong sir. Chevrolet is the brand. General Motors is the corporation. If you measure by corporations, General Motors outsells Tesla by a boatload. Consumers buy brands, not corporations.

Just like Lamborghini is the brand but Volkswagen is the corporation. I could go on with more examples, but I trust you get the point.

Wrong.

I stand by the fact Chevy is a division of the General Motors company. You can spin it all you want but you are 100% incorrect.

Per wickipedia:

"Chevrolet (/ˌʃɛvrəˈleɪ/ SHEV-rə-LAY) (colloquially referred to as Chevy and formally the Chevrolet Motor Division of General Motors Company) is an American automobile division of the manufacturer General Motors (GM). "

Unless that is you're referring to it's historic placement, as yes you would be correct that it was in fact a brand from 1911-1918.

People might "buy" Chevrolet, but they all know it's General Motors they're buying. No one has ever bought an Impala thinking it was built by Honda.

[Iron Lung Jimmy]

Budweiser is the brand. Anheuser-Busch is the corporation. Nobody buys a Budweiser thinking they're going to drink a six pack of Anheuser-Busch.

Same with Chevy and GM.

[olrocker]

Originally Posted by Iron Lung Jimmy

Budweiser is the brand. Anheuser-Busch is the corporation. Nobody buys a Budweiser thinking they're going to drink a six pack of Anheuser-Busch.

Same with Chevy and GM.

They're brands in the vernacular, but technically in business they are divisions. Fact.

PMD ring a bell anyone? They silk screened the acronym on every wheel they made in the 60s.

[Martinjlm]

Originally Posted by olrocker

Wrong.

I stand by the fact Chevy is a division of the General Motors company. You can spin it all you want but you are 100% incorrect.

Per wickipedia:

"Chevrolet (/ˌʃɛvrəˈleɪ/ SHEV-rə-LAY) (colloquially referred to as Chevy and formally the Chevrolet Motor Division of General Motors Company) is an American automobile division of the manufacturer General Motors (GM).

That is at best a 1980s definition of the company. In the mid-80s (I was there when it happened) the company reorganized the company. The focus was to set up administrative activities under BRANDS (Buick, Cadillac Chevrolet, GMC, Oldsmobile, Pontiac) and all the manufacturing operations got pulled into “divisions”. So at that time, I went from working for Buick Transmission to working for Hydramatic Division without even moving my desk. This was all a result of the “why does my Oldsmobile have a Chevrolet engine?” Lawsuits in the ‘80s. Manufacturing operations got moved into operating divisions that provided product to the BRANDS. That’s why Camaros and Cadillacs can be built in the same plant and use the same engines and transmissions. The manufacturing division makes the parts / cars and provides them to the BRANDS for sale.

Originally Posted by olrocker

Unless that is you're referring to it's historic placement, as yes you would be correct that it was in fact a brand from 1911-1918.

People might "buy" Chevrolet, but they all know it's General Motors they're buying. No one has ever bought an Impala thinking it was built by Honda.

You’d actually be surprised how many people DON’T know that Chevrolet is General Motors or that Cadillac is General Motors. A few years after the restructuring that I referred to above, some of the leadership did a survey to better understand brand awareness. They came to the conclusion that people knew what a Chevrolet was and what a Cadillac was but did not realize the association with General Motors. The result was the addition on all GM vehicles of the little chiclet that said GM. I’m sure some here remember those and may even have a car somewhere that still has them. That didn’t last long. Logic kicked in and people understood the difference between BRAND and CORPORATION and the chiclets were removed.

Actually, rather than rely on Wikipedia, why not just ask GM how they define their brands. Photo below…

[shaffe]

Man people were arguing technicalities and I wasn't involved!

[genxer]

Originally Posted by BuckeyeROC

And at the end of the day, the top shareholders are the same as every other company that matters and controlled by the same folks.

I mean, come on man!
The company's top leaders really have their nose to the grindstone! And they're delivering what's wanted!








*the grindstone being (Blackrock) Larry Fink's pelvic tat

workplace type humor

[Martinjlm]

Originally Posted by Martinjlm

So what do theses brands have in common?

Ford, Toyota, Chevrolet, Honda, Nissan, Kia, and Hyundai.

Reeling this in a bit… My point of bringing this up was to address all of the “nobody’s interested in EVs anymore; EVs are piling up on dealers lots” videos.

Instead we’ve devolved into what is or isn’t a brand. , so I’m going to try to pull us back up to the actual discussion.

So, there’s video after video of “EVs are piling up on dealer lots”. Here’s the humorous part of that… The top selling EV brands are Tesla, Chevrolet, and Ford.

Tesla doesn’t have dealerships so where is all this “inventory” piling up? Plus, Tesla sales are up 25.4% 2023 over 2022 on a year-to-date basis. That increase in sales has moved Tesla past Jeep, Subaru and Ram into 8th place in terms of Sales by Brand.

Chevrolet is second in EV sales. Days inventory of Bolt EV (25 days) and Bolt EUV (41 days) are actually lower than the industry recommended 60 days supply. This indicates they are moving off the lots faster than expected.

Ford is third in EV sales. Days inventory of Mach E is ridiculously high, but sales are still close to the same as last year’s sales. In October 2022 Mach E sold 2,849 vehicles. In October 2023 Mach E sold 2,732, so 117 fewer than the year before. So why the huge inventory build? Only Ford knows for sure. Maybe they were planning on a huge spike in sales? Maybe they were preparing for a long strike? Hard to say. Ford does not split sales reporting on the different trim levels of F150, so Lightning sales and inventory are not identifiable.

But at the end of the day, other than Ford Mach E and Ford Lightning, the top selling EVs are up in sales (25% for the highest volume player) and have fast turnover from dealer inventory (Bolt EV and EUV) but videos keep saying “inventory is piling up on dealer lots”. Riiight.

[Martinjlm]

Originally Posted by shaffe

Man people were arguing technicalities and I wasn't involved!

You owe me a mousepad. Spit my coffee out all over it. At least I missed my keyboard.

[shaffe]

Originally Posted by Martinjlm

You owe me a mousepad. Spit my coffee out all over it. At least I missed my keyboard.

hahahaha

[MyNameIs]

I think Brand and Division when it comes to car companys like GM the names are interchangeable. The company GM controls the Division/brand.

[MyNameIs]

[QUOTE=Martinjlm;11380063]

You’d actually be surprised how many people DON’T know that Chevrolet is General Motors or that Cadillac is General Motors.


That doesn't surprise me at all. Its all part of the dumbing down of America. You'd be surprised as to how many think Nissan Honda and Toyota are American companies, and have no clue they are sending their hard earned dollars back to japan each time they purchase one.

[MyNameIs]

Originally Posted by genxer

I mean, come on man!
The company's top leaders really have their nose to the grindstone! And they're delivering what's wanted!








*the grindstone being (Blackrock) Larry Fink's pelvic tat

workplace type humor

Few want EVs and peeps are getting sick of uglyass SUVs.

[MyNameIs]

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/s2d8dgZPOYE

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/n3ksiZ9OiKA