[VASTREETRACER]

Ok I know this has probably been beat to death but here goes.

I have a 2017 SS, manual trans, Long tubes (2" primaries) Catted X-pipe, CAI cold air, LT2 intake and a flex fuel sensor currently on a stock tune until next week that is. Anyways I'm tossing the idea of going with one of the 3 listed above. I had a 2010 with a whipple that did pretty well but I've read about lots of issues with whipple and their 3.0L so I'm leaning towards either the Maggie or the LT4. I'm not looking for anything crazy but would like to be in the 750-800 WHP range on e85. I've also heard mixed opinions and stories or people saying you can't run more than 8-10 psi without upgrading pistons because of thin ring landings that will break with any boost over that. My 2010 had a stock bottom end, blower went on at 30k miles and was running 13lbs of boost with no issues until a lifter failed at 176k miles. Is there any truth to this or is it just bs that people that had a bad tune put out?

For those with the 3 blowers mentioned what is your opinion of your setup? Would you do it again or go a different route? What are any issues you have ran into along the way?

Thanks
Mark

[laynlo15]

Sure, this horse would like to just give up and be turned into glue, of course Magnuson for me. I'm partial since I've had 5 of them on 3 different platforms. Plus, to be completely honest I also worked at Magnuson for 3 years till 2020. My first Magnuson 2300 was on my 2008 Pontiac G8GT before I even knew anyone at the Company. Pick your medicine and live with it, they are all good, but some are better depending on your needs and wants.

[cjperformance]

Honestly if i got to do things over, id go with Maggie 2650. Thats what i wanted in the first place, but when i was ready they were on backorder for like 6-8 months and found a procharger in stock instead.

I think the procharger has some benefits but also some drawbacks, but wont go into that here since it looks like you are going with a PD.

I will say though, the turbo-like whistle/whine at low throttle/rpm with the PC is satisfying and attention getting. It was a pleasant surprise, makes me remeber the power is there when i need it when im just going stoplight to stoplight

[radz28]

If you're only thinking about those PD-blowers, the only one I'd have a comment on, which might be a big deal, is making sure you have hood clearance on your combination with the Whipple. I can't recall anything about SSs, but I believe subframe spacers have to be added in some applications for cowl clearance. You don't have a ZL1 (and I don't see mention of a ZL1 hood, so this might not apply), but for cars with ZL1 hoods, you have to do some cutting to the inner extractor panel for Whipple fitment. Magnuson made their 2650s wide and flat, so this isn't usually a problem. I'm just suggesting you make sure about fitment for your application.

As far as performance - a stock LT4 doesn't hold a candle to either of the other two options. You can go crazy and X/race-port the 1740, but there are still the smaller intercooler bricks to contend with, in some applications, and you'll have to spin it harder to get any benefits from that max-effort-type of porting. Standard porting will do good, too, and less than either Whipple or Maggie.

If you're ever only going to look for 750-800 wheel, I'd say to stick with the stock ported blower. I'd do a cam, standard-port the 1740, and open up the intake and exhaust. Add a low-side, equip for E', and go to town.

I have specific reasons for the way I went, that doesn't apply to 99% of everyone here. I don't know that I would go this way if I had the options that are out now, when I started 4-years ago, but I'm not disappointed in any way. You won't go wrong with Whipples, 2650s, or a 1740 (with some porting). I'd consider rings and rods for the short block, though, if you're shooting for those numbers. That's why I'm leaning toward the 1740 for what you've posted. It will hit harder than the bigger blowers, but it will only flow so much before heat starts punishing you. The bigger blowers don't have that problem.

You didn't mention your use, but if you haven't already thought about that, I'd put some time into that, too. That's where I'd start. X-race-port 1740s are getting close (in a few cases) to 1000-wheel, but those are not street cars. Street cars are getting more than 900 WHP, so those are still good options. I don't know how much confidence I'd have in durability because of the porting and speeding them up, but your use may not be a big deal in that regard. 750-wheel is a lot of of power on the street, and you'll need a good tire.

Good luck, and have fun!

[JSH]

Originally Posted by VASTREETRACER

Ok I know this has probably been beat to death but here goes.

I have a 2017 SS, manual trans, Long tubes (2" primaries) Catted X-pipe, CAI cold air, LT2 intake and a flex fuel sensor currently on a stock tune until next week that is. Anyways I'm tossing the idea of going with one of the 3 listed above. I had a 2010 with a whipple that did pretty well but I've read about lots of issues with whipple and their 3.0L so I'm leaning towards either the Maggie or the LT4. I'm not looking for anything crazy but would like to be in the 750-800 WHP range on e85. I've also heard mixed opinions and stories or people saying you can't run more than 8-10 psi without upgrading pistons because of thin ring landings that will break with any boost over that. My 2010 had a stock bottom end, blower went on at 30k miles and was running 13lbs of boost with no issues until a lifter failed at 176k miles. Is there any truth to this or is it just bs that people that had a bad tune put out?

For those with the 3 blowers mentioned what is your opinion of your setup? Would you do it again or go a different route? What are any issues you have ran into along the way?

Thanks
Mark

You should consider an Eddie too.

[94guy]

The edelbrock has served me well.

[adamjwilson]

Where is all the love for the WHIPPLE?

[JANNETTYRACING]

Originally Posted by VASTREETRACER

Ok I know this has probably been beat to death but here goes.

I have a 2017 SS, manual trans, Long tubes (2" primaries) Catted X-pipe, CAI cold air, LT2 intake and a flex fuel sensor currently on a stock tune until next week that is. Anyways I'm tossing the idea of going with one of the 3 listed above. I had a 2010 with a whipple that did pretty well but I've read about lots of issues with whipple and their 3.0L so I'm leaning towards either the Maggie or the LT4. I'm not looking for anything crazy but would like to be in the 750-800 WHP range on e85. I've also heard mixed opinions and stories or people saying you can't run more than 8-10 psi without upgrading pistons because of thin ring landings that will break with any boost over that. My 2010 had a stock bottom end, blower went on at 30k miles and was running 13lbs of boost with no issues until a lifter failed at 176k miles. Is there any truth to this or is it just bs that people that had a bad tune put out?

For those with the 3 blowers mentioned what is your opinion of your setup? Would you do it again or go a different route? What are any issues you have ran into along the way?

Thanks
Mark

Good Morning Mark,

We offer our Super Street Brawler package of which you already have some of the parts which makes 750 RWHP on E60.

This is where we draw the line for reliable power, then we strongly recommend forged internals of looking to go past 750 RWHP.

We developed this Package with the Old TVS2300 superchargers so the only difference is the superchargers that are available, any of the PDs Whipple, Magnuson, Edelbrock, except the LT4 without significant work and additional cooling, can handle this power level with ease.

The big difference between the 5th and 6th gen is Compression and fuel system.

With a 6th Gen we make this power at about 9 psi boost.

It would take 13-14 with a 5th gen.

The 6th gen fuel system has hard limits on fuel delivery, The stock LT1 fuel system is done about 570 RWHP.

So you are looking at minimum LT4 fuel system low side, high side, injectors and JMS fuel system voltage booster to support this.

There are many other options for fueling like LPE big bore, and +30% injectors that can extend the range a bit on how much E% you can run.

I stock both Maggie and Whipple 3.0 Plus every other performance parts, so I would be glad to have a conversation with you over the phone to answer all your questions and put you on the right path.

Also offer Custom remote tuning to bring this all together.

Ted

[Joshinator99]

Originally Posted by adamjwilson

Where is all the love for the WHIPPLE?

Right here my man!

[arpad_m]

OP's username is a brave, if not brazen move I even take down my radar detector whenever I drive through VA...

On topic, I have something similar to the super street brawler package from Ted Jannetty's shop that he described above, except I also have forged internals (the engine had to be torn down no thanks to GM, and Ted suggested that we might as well), with the old Magnuson 2300. It's a fantastic blower with a ton of headroom, and its successor, the 2650 is even better, you can't go wrong with these.

[Schlok]

Hell if you would consider a 2.9 Whipple I'll give you a great deal. It's setup by Crawford for port injection already... hit me up.

[VASTREETRACER]

Thanks everyone for the suggestions. I'm leaning towards the 2650 at this point. Thanks Ted I'll definitely be hitting you up when I'm ready to pull the trigger on this. Hopefully in a couple of months.

[JSH]

Originally Posted by 94guy

The edelbrock has served me well.

I'm pleased with mine too. If I could race at sea level, I believe I could coax this thing into 8.9x with just a few minor changes. The primary problem is, the NHRA requires a cage at 151 mph, so I might be limited to one night's racing.

[adamjwilson]

I don't recall any real world comparisons on the Maggie 2650 vs. Whipple 3.0? I know both are good options, but only a few of us here on this forum have the Whipple 3.0. Most are push over 1000rwhp with their set up, and can easily reach over 800rwhp with minor mods. I know I have mine dumb down to 15* timing for the street, and it is plenty of power for those coyotes out there that always want to race...lol
Poor old Brett (Pray Performance) is posting almost daily about his N/A cammed 6th Gens eating up those boosted 5.0s...